[FFmpeg-devel-irc] IRC log for 2010-04-07

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[01:06:18] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: koorogi * r22813 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[01:06:18] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: Add unsharp video filter.
[01:06:18] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: Contributed by Daniel G. Taylor (dan/at/programmer-art/dot/org)
[04:18:39] <peloverde> Is there a cast to const-of-whatever-the-base-type-already-is?
[04:19:35] <peloverde> eg float** to const float**, int** to const int**
[04:22:15] <astrange> only as a gcc extension
[04:27:04] <peloverde> well only gcc seems to warn about such things so that seems like a wash, no?
[05:27:56] <peloverde> astrange, re: "Do you really need three books on C? Or any books on C? It seems like it'd be easier to just write a test program than look anything up at that point", too much behavior is implementation dependent, you may wind up with non portable code... or code that behaves differently with optimizations turned on
[05:30:01] <astrange> i don't think they're that advanced
[06:33:18] <superdump> morning
[06:33:34] <superdump> merbzt1: sleep well? :)
[06:34:16] <av500> Stockholm still in one piece?
[06:34:24] <kshishkov> morrow
[06:34:29] <superdump> just about i think
[06:34:38] <kshishkov> av500: Sweden is a civilised country unlike Germany
[06:35:39] <superdump> yeah, they serve beer and cider in 0.3l glasses and charge lots for it
[06:36:01] <kshishkov> don't forget Systembolaget
[06:36:11] <superdump> and the licensed alcohol outlet is closed on sunday and closes early on saturday
[06:36:16] <superdump> ^
[06:36:34] <kshishkov> and they don't sell to drunked people
[06:36:57] <superdump> i was in the supermarket a couple of sundays ago and an american woman came up to the checkout that i was at
[06:37:13] <superdump> she asked the cashier if they sold wine
[06:37:38] <superdump> the cashier wasn't quick with her response so i said "no, you have to go to the systembolaget down the road"
[06:37:45] <superdump> "is it open on sundays?"
[06:37:47] <superdump> "no"
[06:38:45] <kshishkov> that's one of the reasons why I love Sweden
[06:38:47] <superdump> it seems the main consequence of these opening hours is that on friday evening, after work, everyone goes to the systembolaget to stock up for the weekend
[06:39:03] <kierank> [07:38] <@superdump> yeah, they serve beer and cider in 0.3l glasses and charge lots for it --> haha
[06:39:12] <superdump> well yes, if you don't drink i guess it's better to have less drunkards about
[06:39:34] <superdump> and less drinking related accidents/crimes as a consequence i expect
[06:39:39] <merbzt1> superdump: yeah, woke up at 0600 and took a swim
[06:39:43] <superdump> :)
[06:39:48] <superdump> impressive
[06:40:04] <superdump> i woke up at 0700 and dozed for half an hour
[06:42:24] * kshishkov tries to guess which of those two drank alcohol last night
[06:42:49] <merbzt1> lol
[06:43:02] <merbzt1> actually I had one glass of cider
[06:43:18] <superdump> i had a few more :)
[06:43:32] <merbzt1> how long did you stay ?
[06:43:34] <superdump> and then we went to an irish bar where they at least served 0.5l glasses
[06:43:42] <superdump> i left there at about 0045
[06:43:57] <superdump> to make sure i got the t-bana home
[06:44:01] <merbzt1> ok :) then I was firmly in bed
[06:44:17] <andoma> hi!
[06:44:18] <superdump> hehe
[06:44:22] <superdump> god morgon andoma
[06:44:25] <andoma> :)
[06:44:26] <kshishkov> hej (:
[06:44:37] <superdump> hur mår pontus idag?
[06:44:42] <KotH> grüezi
[06:44:44] <andoma> bra, ingen feber
[06:44:49] <superdump> \o/
[06:45:04] <superdump> (that's swedish for woohoo)
[06:45:25] <kshishkov> nej, det är inte
[06:45:34] <KotH> has "idag" anything to do with "ideg" ? :)
[06:45:48] <superdump> probably
[06:45:52] <superdump> if it means today
[06:46:13] <andoma> iDag is <tm>ed by Apple
[06:46:29] <superdump> :)
[06:47:01] <kshishkov> andoma: at least they aren't into furniture business, otherwise one logo would have been changed
[06:47:30] <andoma> :)
[06:49:07] * kshishkov looks at the wikipedia page for the strongest locomotive called MTAB iOre that drives trains with ...
[07:10:35] <kshishkov> good Tetris at xkcd
[07:43:53] <superdump> ___gb___: ping?
[07:48:18] <benoit-> moin
[07:48:29] <andoma> hello
[10:41:27] <Dark_Shikari> mru: AGHHGHGHGHG
[10:41:31] <Dark_Shikari> a guy is trying to run x264 on an arm9
[10:41:34] <Dark_Shikari> *headdesk*
[10:42:13] <bilboed-pi> well... if it's for QCIF at 5fps... could be doable, no ? :)
[10:42:17] <Dark_Shikari> Probably not.
[10:55:39] <av500> Dark_Shikari: there are very fast arm9 these days
[10:55:51] <av500> like that stuff that marvell makes
[10:56:33] <Dark_Shikari> still has no simd
[10:56:40] <av500> true
[10:57:26] <av500> maybe they will reach 3ghz soon....
[12:15:39] <av500> wrt animated gifs: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3422
[12:21:12] <scaphilo> does anyone have a good documentation on how motion vectors in mpeg2 are encoded? i dont really understand why there are such a large amount of values in the  MpegEncContext->mv in my understanding there should only be a direction, a x-value and y -value
[12:22:19] <Dark_Shikari> you mean motion_val?
[12:22:28] <Dark_Shikari> Looks exactly like that to me
[12:23:30] <scaphilo> a just a sec, motion_val is a little bit different i think
[12:29:10] <scaphilo> no they are quite similar, but i dont understand why there are so many values: i mean motion_val[0][0][0] is the x and motion_val[0][0][1] is the y of the mb_xy=0 but why is there still one level of array?
[12:29:29] <scaphilo> i dont understant the documentation in the code
[12:29:35] <Dark_Shikari> list0 vs list1 MVs
[12:30:55] <scaphilo> there are more than one mv for one mb possible? hmm i really dont understand this part of mpeg2
[12:31:04] <Dark_Shikari> You don't understand what a b-frame is?
[12:31:31] <scaphilo> not enough it seems
[12:32:04] <scaphilo> do they refer two frames in the same time?
[12:32:16] <Dark_Shikari> ....
[12:32:25] <Dark_Shikari> they refer to a past frame and a future frame
[12:32:37] <Dark_Shikari> this is basic textbook stuff
[12:32:55] <scaphilo> yes i know but i didn expect they refer from both at the same time
[12:33:35] <scaphilo> hmm is there no better doc than the standard?
[12:33:48] <Dark_Shikari> ... referring to both at the same time is _THE ENTIRE POINT_ of b-frames
[12:33:57] <andoma> B-type macroblocks predicts from two different (past and future) each with a different x,y motion vector
[12:34:54] <scaphilo> ah shit, sorry for this question but how are they calculated then? is it some kind of "mean" of both
[12:35:06] <scaphilo> or you mean field based frames
[12:35:21] <scaphilo> where the top can refer to a futur and the bottom to a past for example
[12:35:27] <Dark_Shikari> it's an average
[12:35:29] <Dark_Shikari> that's what biprediction is
[12:35:34] <Dark_Shikari> read an introductory textbook
[12:37:23] <scaphilo> they normaly dont discuss this things dark_shikari i currently only found the mpeg2 standard do you perhaps have ref to a book i could read?
[12:38:31] <scaphilo> when i want to disable all bf in a mpeg2 video is it possible to ffmpeg-i input -bf 0 -vcodec mpeg2video output ?
[12:38:31] <Dark_Shikari> well, I've only seen one video compression textbook
[12:38:36] <Dark_Shikari> and it sure as hell covers this
[12:38:45] <Dark_Shikari> sure, obviously you can re-encode the video and not use b-frames.
[12:38:58] <Dark_Shikari> http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?auxd23m2snw here's a textbook
[12:39:06] <scaphilo> thank you very much
[12:40:53] <KotH> that book isnt that good either
[12:41:12] * KotH knows 3-4 text books on video coding and all suck
[12:41:31] <andoma> KotH: well.. it's better than nothing. i picked up a few things in that one
[12:42:13] <KotH> yeah..
[12:42:15] <scaphilo> i tried som as well, but most of them do only explain how it works in a very abstract way.
[12:42:40] <Dark_Shikari> KotH: yes they all suck
[12:42:50] <Dark_Shikari> that one's half-decent
[12:43:15] <scaphilo> and of couse an other thing is i dont understand english perfectly
[12:43:26] <scaphilo> and there absolutly no german book for this things
[12:43:37] <Dark_Shikari> nobody understands english perfectly
[12:43:47] <KotH> http://www.amazon.com/Video-Coding-Introduction-Standard-Telecommunications/dp/0852967624 <- this one is better than the above, but quite dated (stops at mpeg2)
[12:44:03] <KotH> scaphilo: learn english
[12:44:25] <Dark_Shikari> he obviously knows english just fine
[12:44:34] <scaphilo> of couse but i dont have time to lern english and then work on my project ;-)
[12:44:37] <KotH> scaphilo: there is no way you will be able to participate in OSS in generall and ffmpeg in special w/o half decent english skills
[12:44:49] <Dark_Shikari> And there's no way he would be having this conversation without half-decent english skills >_>
[12:45:01] <scaphilo> KotH: you mean c-OSS
[12:45:03] <Dark_Shikari> I hate how people underestimate their skills
[12:45:09] <Dark_Shikari> they go running around whining about how their english sucks
[12:45:11] <KotH> well.. you're here chatting... that's the best way to learn a half decent engrish :)
[12:45:11] <Dark_Shikari> ... in english ...
[12:45:15] <Dark_Shikari> and conversating and chatting.... in english...
[12:45:34] <Dark_Shikari> the best part are the japanese who tell you in near-flawless english that their english is bad.
[12:45:47] <KotH> Dark_Shikari: well.. my english sucks, i make a lot of mistakes... but at least i can communicate in it :)
[12:46:01] <KotH> Dark_Shikari: lol
[12:46:11] <KotH> Dark_Shikari: japanese are very humble people.. unlike usians
[12:46:25] <scaphilo> ok but i cant read the standard in english thats the thing i dont understand it. I dont know if i would understand it in german
[12:46:31] <Dark_Shikari> KotH: US is in the middle
[12:46:34] <Dark_Shikari> if you want the opposite of japan, try india.
[12:47:03] <Dark_Shikari> japan: I am just a lowly programmer, I'm not good at this stuff!   india:  I am the best programmer in the world!  I can write your website top quality no problem!
[12:47:21] <scaphilo> lol
[12:47:44] <jai> :)
[12:47:45] <KotH> scaphilo: if you dont understand something in one of these books, just ask here
[12:47:57] <KotH> scaphilo: we've enough german speaking people here to help you out
[12:48:00] <Dark_Shikari> yes, don't be afraid to ask questions =p
[12:48:08] <Dark_Shikari> und deutsch ist nicht so schwer
[12:48:18] <Dark_Shikari> es ist englisch mit mehr lange Worten
[12:48:24] <KotH> jo, s'isch ganz eifach.. sogär i chas räde :)
[12:48:30] <scaphilo> :-) right thx for help
[12:48:39] <pJok> deutsch, svenska, dansk, english and a lot of other languages
[12:48:44] <KotH> nihongo mo
[12:48:46] <scaphilo> shit even swiss german
[12:48:51] <Dark_Shikari> lol
[12:49:57] <KotH> wait a sec
[12:49:59] <KotH> you're swiss
[12:50:03] <scaphilo> right
[12:50:10] <KotH> from where?
[12:50:13] <KotH> what school?
[12:50:21] <jai> ..and the inquisition begins
[12:50:30] <scaphilo> HSR (Rapperswil)
[12:50:34] <KotH> jai: nobody expects the swiss inquisition ;)
[12:50:36] <pJok> evenings jai :)
[12:50:41] <jai> KotH: heh :)
[12:50:44] <jai> ohai pJok
[12:50:54] <pJok> KotH, nobody expects the swiss navy ;)
[12:51:15] <KotH> pJok: i guess you've never seen me in full gear? :)
[12:51:15] <scaphilo> thats right but why do you know that there is one?
[12:51:24] <pJok> KotH, i haven't
[12:52:01] <Dark_Shikari> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_of_Switzerland
[12:52:55] <scaphilo> so where are you from KotH? ETH
[12:56:14] <av500> Dark_Shikari: book is good, has ffmpeg logo on page 84
[12:56:20] <av500> scaphilo: yes
[12:58:14] <scaphilo> by the way i have a problem with the FF_COMMON_FRAME->uint8_t *data; its only 8 bit but i need at least an int for my application i want to write. What would you say is the better way: Changing the type of this variable or creating a new one? i want to transfer the dct coefficients directly from decoder to the encoder without idct/dequant
[12:59:14] <av500> and int? for a pointer to data?
[12:59:20] <Dark_Shikari> av500: wait what?
[12:59:32] <av500> Dark_Shikari: zigzag pattern :)
[12:59:34] <Dark_Shikari> lol
[13:00:17] <scaphilo> am no i mean the data itself is 8 bit not the pointer to it
[13:01:10] <scaphilo> sorry name of variable is wrong ...
[13:01:16] <Dark_Shikari> there's already a way in the api to export dct coefficients afaik
[13:01:44] <av500> scaphilo: what is your project about?
[13:01:48] <scaphilo> Dark_Shikari: ?
[13:01:51] <av500> compressed domain transcoder?
[13:02:02] <scaphilo> no openloop transcoder mpeg2 to mpeg4
[13:02:15] <Dark_Shikari> that's what he just said
[13:03:00] <scaphilo> Dark_Shikari  how do i export them?
[13:03:17] <nfl> merbzt1, ping
[13:04:49] <scaphilo> FF_COMMON_FRAME->dct_coeff perhaps?
[13:04:59] <scaphilo> is this variable not used somwhere else?
[13:25:15] <KotH> scaphilo: ex-eth
[15:00:35] <lu_zero> hi
[15:00:41] <lu_zero> wbs: you around?
[15:35:23] <Tjoppen> I think I managed to import Diego's key into seahorse and sign it with my own key. time to send some mail
[15:37:00] <kshishkov> also don't forget to mention your IRC nick to him
[15:37:15] <kshishkov> if you're FFmpeg dev you get op status here for free
[15:37:25] <Tjoppen> sweet
[15:37:57] <kshishkov> (others can bribe us with useful patches to get voice status here)
[15:38:34] <Tjoppen> time to pick a username I guess. tjoppen, tomss, tomash and thardin are all good choices
[15:38:40] <Tjoppen> *tomas
[15:39:00] <kshishkov> not "tomash"
[15:39:11] <kshishkov> sounds like Polish name
[15:39:19] <Tjoppen> good point
[15:39:46] <kshishkov> Tjorven?
[15:40:01] <Tjoppen> nein
[15:40:12] <av500> MrT?
[15:40:13] <kshishkov> just pulling your leg
[15:41:22] <kshishkov> av500: I think he'll pity you fool then
[15:42:16] <Tjoppen> poor Måns, always being called Mans
[15:42:27] <av500> I call him mru :)
[15:42:33] <kshishkov> no, some of us call him MÃ¥ns
[15:43:36] * elenril throws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 at Tjoppen 
[15:44:54] <Tjoppen> http://xn--n3h.net/
[15:45:26] <Tjoppen> or <snowman>.net, but screen and/or irssi doesn't seem to handle that very well
[15:46:31] * KotH wonders how that glyph ended up in unicode
[15:46:44] <kshishkov> dingbats copy-paste
[15:46:46] * KotH also wonders, whether there is a character for totem
[15:47:00] <KotH> s/ t/a t/
[15:48:26] * av500 throws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code at elenril
[15:49:38] <kshishkov> runes, anyone?
[15:49:51] <kshishkov> it's traditional and Swedish anyway
[15:54:04] * KotH writes his name with the blood of his enemies
[15:54:21] <Tjoppen> maybe I should pick "räksmörgås" as username
[15:55:40] <kshishkov> yes, give admin a hard time :)
[15:55:50] <elenril> srsly what's up with people using obsolete encodings =p
[15:56:05] <jai> prawn sandwich?
[15:56:24] <kshishkov> seems so
[15:56:29] <KotH> Tjoppen: denied!
[15:57:05] <kshishkov> ostsmörgås eller skinkasmörgås men ej räksmörgås
[15:57:14] <KotH> elenril: it's the superior way to troll you and rich :)
[15:57:41] * elenril feeds the troll
[15:58:00] * KotH eats elenril 
[15:58:29] * kshishkov uses a herd of goats on KotH
[15:58:39] <jai> -_-
[15:58:47] <elenril> ウニコード!
[15:59:41] <Tjoppen> bah, I'm going with thardin. time to send mail
[16:01:06] <KotH> kshishkov: cool! fresh and still packaged meat!
[16:01:41] <kshishkov> KotH: you're too illiterate to know what exactly billygoats do to trolls
[16:03:58] <KotH> kshishkov: my norse is inexistent
[16:04:05] <KotH> kshishkov: beside, that was one incompetent troll
[16:16:20] <dgt84> Is it possible / easy for me to use a block comparison function from e.g. libavcodec in a filter, including the MMX/SSE optimized versions? I'm doing some motion estimation and compensation in a filter and it's dog slow, but I don't know the libavcodec code well enough...
[16:17:14] <dgt84> dsputil seems to have some references to different comparison functions but I'm not sure how I'd go about using them myself
[16:17:51] <merbanan> it is possible
[16:17:57] <merbanan> but might not be easy
[16:36:24] <Tjoppen> durr
[16:36:42] <Tjoppen> Evolution saved my encrypted mail using Diego's key, not mine. how very useful :o
[16:37:28] <DonDiego> moin
[16:38:40] <kshishkov> grüss dich
[16:43:45] <hyc> adios
[17:05:17] <DonDiego> Tjoppen: try leaving and rejoining the channel
[17:11:08] <Tjoppen> \o/
[17:27:24] <KotH> has anyone here read the ACTA draft?
[17:29:36] <av500> is that a speech codec?
[17:31:05] <astrange> copyright treaty
[17:31:11] <KotH> nope, the international treaty proposal, that might kill the internet as we knew it and would make it possible that any data storing device might be seized at borders
[17:32:16] <BBB> these stupid idiot politicians think that they can make some bunch of paper rules and things will go juuuuuuuuust fine
[17:32:21] <BBB> just how will they enforce these rules?
[17:33:07] <KotH> even if they are just partially enforced, the rights that the intellectual property right holders get trough it is ridiculous
[17:34:16] <KotH> the proposal goes so far that if you are sued by the mpaa/riaa for infriging on some copyright, you have to fully compensate for the potential damage, pay for the court fees of both parties and pay the atorneys of the wining party
[17:35:04] <KotH> or, that the customs officier at the border might seize any object that might be infringin on any rights
[17:35:31] <KotH> (eg ipods, phones, laptops with data on them, as they might contain illigaly copied material)
[17:35:45] <av500> it will all be in ze cloud :)
[17:36:13] <elenril> human brains?
[17:36:17] <av500> KotH: 1st rule to make a police state is to declare everybody a criminal
[17:36:26] * elenril seizes av500's brain
[17:36:28] <KotH> oh yes.. any third party that is helping in distribution of these violating goods, is fully liable too (eg. your isp is liably for you sharing files)
[17:36:38] <KotH> s/liably/liable/
[17:37:01] <av500> KotH: it is all a scheme to close the internet and drive people back to mon&pop brick&mortar stores
[17:37:35] <BBB> KotH: again, how will it be enforced?
[17:37:45] <BBB> an ipod is no evidence
[17:37:56] <BBB> there is no difference between an illegaly copied mp3 or a legally duped one from a cd
[17:37:56] <av500> BBB: selectively, enough to create "fear"
[17:38:00] <BBB> it is no evidence
[17:38:05] <BBB> you guys exxagerate
[17:38:13] <BBB> (spelling?)
[17:38:28] <KotH> BBB: it is enough that you are _suspected_ to have illegally copied material
[17:38:36] <KotH> BBB: there does not need to be a prove
[17:38:43] <BBB> the fact that they go after bittorrent downloaders of illegal moies is completely logical
[17:38:46] <BBB> and I have nothing against that
[17:39:03] <KotH> BBB: later in court, they need to prove that you illegally copied the stuff, but for seizing them, a hunch is enough
[17:39:04] <elenril> well downloading movies is perfectly legal here
[17:39:04] <av500> BBB: take airport strip searching, it does not increase security but makes me not want to fly, mission accomplished
[17:39:24] <KotH> BBB: downloading movies is legal in more countries than you'd think
[17:39:27] <BBB> elenril: every download requires an upload
[17:39:33] <BBB> the upload is illegal in europe, too
[17:39:42] <BBB> anyway, they won't seize your ipod
[17:39:42] <KotH> BBB: nack
[17:39:46] <av500> BBB: no, in some BBS you get a 10:1 ratio :)
[17:39:46] <BBB> because they cannot get evidence from it
[17:39:50] <BBB> yoiu're taking it too far ;)
[17:40:11] <av500> BBB: they can sieze and lose it :)
[17:40:11] <BBB> if they *could* get evidence from an ipod, that'd be amazing and they would surely try
[17:40:12] <KotH> BBB: my bt clients do not upload, for exactly that reason :)
[17:40:13] <BBB> but they cannot
[17:40:13] <av500> 4) profit
[17:40:27] <BBB> av500: they cannot seize it out of your sight, if you read correctly
[17:40:29] <twnqx> why can't they get evidence? you can access any ipod
[17:40:34] <BBB> they may inspect
[17:40:34] <BBB> b
[17:40:40] <BBB> ut they must leave it within your sight
[17:40:48] <av500> that is written there?
[17:40:50] <BBB> twnqx: so there's an mp3 on it. now what?
[17:40:55] <thresh> KotH: my whiney ISP asked me to stop using torrents because i DLed some episode of show that is not even on air in Russia
[17:40:55] <av500> I am very short sighted
[17:40:55] <twnqx> play it
[17:40:57] <BBB> av500: if you go beyond slashdot :)
[17:41:05] <BBB> twnqx: it's britney spears, now what?
[17:41:22] <av500> BBB: -> 10 years jail for britney
[17:41:24] <elenril> thresh: since when does russia care about copyright?
[17:41:25] <twnqx> now the burden of proving that it's legit is on you.
[17:41:27] <av500> no question asked
[17:41:30] <BBB> twnqx: nope
[17:41:37] <BBB> twnqx: I downloaded it from amazon is all you have to say
[17:41:37] <KotH> BBB: i dont see any such provision in the current draft
[17:41:45] <BBB> KotH: you read too much slashdot
[17:41:52] <thresh> elenril: that's what i asked by ISP
[17:41:54] <BBB> it's not as crap as you think :)
[17:41:57] <thresh> elenril: and they didnt reply me ;-)
[17:42:01] <KotH> BBB: slashdot?
[17:42:04] <BBB> for god's sake, stop reading slashdot guys :)
[17:42:08] <KotH> BBB: i have the acta draft infront of me
[17:42:12] * av500 doth not read /.
[17:42:25] <KotH> BBB: and i dont read slashdot, teh SNR is too low :)
[17:42:28] <BBB> KotH: is it authentic? :)
[17:42:43] <KotH> BBB: nobody claimed otherwise yet :)
[17:42:47] <elenril> anyways, at least EP is against acta
[17:42:55] <KotH> BBB: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/0118-version-of-acta-consolidated-text-leaks
[17:43:00] <BBB> KotH: lol :)
[17:43:40] <av500> elenril: EP is a joke
[17:44:00] <elenril> av500: well yeah, but it's better than nothing
[17:44:20] * av500 is not sure in this case
[17:44:23] <av500> :)
[17:45:13] <av500> KotH: cool, that ACTA draft is and adventure
[17:45:26] <av500> at each paragraph, I decide what country to follow
[17:47:18] * av500 imagines immigration lines with ipod dock connectors next to fingerprint scanners
[17:47:48] * av500 imagines people struggling to explain to customes guy that their mp3 player is not from apple
[17:48:22] <mru> easy, ban non-ipods
[17:48:33] <av500> and non-ibooks
[17:48:39] <KotH> BBB: i dunno how much experience you've with reading law texts, but here in .ch such a text like this would be torn apart at any voting, because of it's ambigouty, broadness and collateral damage
[17:48:59] <av500> KotH: that has not stopped other laws in the past
[17:49:13] <KotH> yes...
[17:49:18] <BBB> KotH: I interact a lot with sflc, I've seen law texts
[17:49:21] <KotH> but it stopped quite a few
[17:49:32] <BBB> like I Said, I'm not a slashdot lawyer
[17:49:38] <BBB> I'm someone actually involved in legal stuff
[17:49:45] <KotH> BBB: legal text or law text? there is a difference :)
[17:49:56] <BBB> they are similar in writing :)
[17:50:37] <KotH> yes, but one has a a-priory context, while the other has a-posteriori context ;)
[17:50:43] <KotH> s/ry/ri/
[17:50:51] <av500> KotH: they talk about personal goods within the duty free allowance not to be checked... how many GB are duty free? :)
[19:31:47] <matth> hi there, any guys working on supporting bcm crystal hd ?
[19:31:55] <lu_zero> somebody is
[19:31:59] <lu_zero> somehow
[19:32:04] <matth> cool
[19:32:09] <matth> any public page ?
[19:32:19] * lu_zero would be happier to get everthing into libva
[19:32:54] <lu_zero> matth: I think you could check mike blog for pointer and/or xbmc
[19:35:58] <matth> mmh let me find who's mike
[19:36:45] <superdump> mike melanson
[19:36:54] <superdump> multimedia.cx/eggs
[19:36:56] <superdump> i think
[19:37:43] <matth> oh ok tx
[19:41:38] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: banan * r22814 /trunk/libavformat/spdif.c:
[19:41:39] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: Don't write an empty spdif header in spdif muxers write_header function before actual data starts.
[19:41:39] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: Patch by Elupus.
[19:42:12] <superdump> another swede eh?
[19:42:17] * superdump wonders who Tjoppen is
[19:42:58] <superdump> ah, just threads i haven't read :)
[19:43:01] <superdump> welcome
[19:43:08] <Tjoppen> yeah, I was just about to say :)
[19:43:41] <superdump> whereabouts in se?
[19:43:53] <Tjoppen> hopefully I'll be able to commit that seek/probe stuff tomorrow in a clean fashion
[19:43:56] <Tjoppen> umeå
[19:44:47] <superdump> myself, merbanan and andoma are in sthlm
[19:45:04] <superdump> though i'm british and don't know much swedish yet :)
[19:45:19] <merbanan> you are assimilated already
[19:45:29] <superdump> heh
[19:45:29] <merbanan> resistance is futile
[19:45:31] <andoma> yu p :)
[19:46:31] <Tjoppen> lived there 04-06
[19:47:10] <Tjoppen> but meh. studying in kista sucked
[19:48:16] <superdump> it's only about 20 minutes from the center, no?
[19:48:21] <superdump> on the subway
[19:48:55] <Tjoppen> not from vällingby
[19:49:37] <superdump> oh
[19:49:49] <superdump> did you have to go in and come out again?
[19:50:10] <superdump> no buses between them?
[19:50:43] <Tjoppen> only bus. ~50 min to school, compared to around 5 now
[19:51:03] <merbanan> Tjoppen: ha
[19:51:06] <superdump> :/
[19:51:08] <merbanan> I live there now
[19:51:08] <superdump> urgh
[19:51:17] <superdump> i live nowhere!
[19:51:23] <superdump> :)
[19:51:31] <lu_zero> ^^
[19:51:47] <superdump> apart from uncovering a fraud, so far my searches have proven unsuccessful
[19:51:57] <Tjoppen> also, no one lives where anyone else lives in stockholm, unlike umeå where everyone lives in ålidhem
[19:51:57] <KotH> fucking ieee
[19:52:11] <KotH> sends mails telling me i'm a criminal
[19:52:35] <merbanan> Tjoppen: true
[19:53:16] <av500> KotH: we will visit you in jail
[19:53:43] <merbanan> KotH: and laugh at you
[19:54:04] <KotH> dont worry, what i do is perfectly legal in .ch
[19:54:20] <av500> what did you do?
[19:54:24] <KotH> it's just the ieee who doesnt want that anyone who isnt a member sees any ieee document
[19:55:00] <KotH> and they send a mail out telling every ieee member that they _ARE_NOT_ALLOWED_TO_ share any of the documents with any of their collegues
[19:55:05] <av500> lol
[19:55:13] <KotH> so much for "advancing technology for humanity"
[19:55:21] <av500> the true academic spirit
[19:55:28] <KotH> yeah
[19:55:35] <KotH> i send a pretty angry mail back
[19:55:38] <av500> they also ask you to burn your ieee books?=
[19:55:45] <av500> before somebody reads them
[19:56:34] <av500> 1st rule of ze interwebs: treat all customers are criminals
[19:56:50] <KotH> yeah..
[19:56:57] <lu_zero> ...
[19:57:10] <KotH> and i pay them 500 fucking USD each year!
[19:57:16] <lu_zero> all customers are criminal you included
[20:01:44] <superdump> Tjoppen: but but but, if i lived in hässelby, i could have an apartment like this for 6500/må : http://www.andrahand.se/Apartment/images/11443/
[20:06:55] <CIA-1> ffmpeg: banan * r22815 /trunk/ffserver.c: Add DynamicACL support for FFserver.
[20:16:30] <Tjoppen> indeed