[FFmpeg-devel-irc] IRC log for 2011-01-18

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[22:10:57] *** TOPIC: Welcome to the FFmpeg development channel. | Discussions about the development of FFmpeg itself are ontopic here. | Questions about using FFmpeg or developing with the libav* libraries should be asked in #ffmpeg. | The revolution has come!
[22:10:57] *** TOPICINFO: DonDiego!~diego at slaughter.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, 1295377135
[22:11:46] <DonDiego> moin fftrollbot :)
[22:11:51] <jannau> beware of the fftrollbot
[22:12:00] <microchip_> LOL
[22:13:45] <mru> jannau: perhaps we should disable the cia notifier on the videolan repo
[22:13:52] <mru> once is enough
[22:14:49] <thresh> is that doable on cia site? because we're using one script for all repos
[22:15:19] <mru> the commit hook that calls it is per repo though, no?
[22:15:34] <thresh> yeah, but that would also involve not sending a mail to ffmpeg-cvslog@
[22:15:40] <mru> no
[22:15:48] <mru> just remove the -c ffmpeg args
[22:15:53] <Dark_Shikari> so michael still hasn't awoken yet
[22:15:57] <jannau> yes. I'm still undecided what we should do with the repo. I decided to sync it for now to make life of everyone who switched yesterday easier
[22:15:59] <thresh> mru: oh ok
[22:16:42] <thresh> indeed
[22:17:31] <thresh> I'm a bit reluctant to change anything atm, I'll wait for things to cool down a bit
[22:18:09] <CIA-29> ffmpeg: Mans Rullgard <mans at mansr.com> master * r09a5c2452c ffmpeg/configure: configure: fix mktemp test and fallback function
[22:19:12] <jannau> thresh: the fflames haven't started yet
[22:19:35] <thresh> yeah and I expect them to rise
[22:20:14] <Kovensky> ffdrama
[22:20:38] <DonDiego> jannau: just give up the videolan repo IMO, we will not continue maintaining it forever
[22:20:45] <DonDiego> so better drop it now
[22:21:03] <DonDiego> people cannot have done much with it yet, it was up for little more than a day iirc
[22:21:51] <thresh> isnt ffmpeg.org the same anyway?
[22:21:59] <thresh> +- url
[22:22:06] <bamiaux> there is even two git reps ?
[22:22:21] <lu_zero> uff
[22:22:27] <mru> thresh: yes, same contents
[22:22:37] <lu_zero> redoing the swscale cleanup is annoying =_=
[22:22:38] <Kovensky> bamiaux: one was a decoy
[22:22:42] <Kovensky> or so it seems
[22:22:42] <Kovensky> =p
[22:22:51] <Kovensky> lu_zero: redoing?
[22:23:58] <bamiaux> the way it is handled is quite sad
[22:24:12] <Kovensky> if you mean moving from v.o to ffmpeg.org, just add a new remote and rebase to it
[22:24:16] <mru> the way what is handled?
[22:25:11] <lu_zero> Kovensky: mru broke the patchset with his change and amending the patch isn't working that well ^^;
[22:25:24] <bamiaux> the whole 'undersigned' thing
[22:25:45] <lu_zero> bamiaux: what you'd do?
[22:25:54] <Kovensky> well, it's a coup d'etat, ofc it doesn't happen "cleanly" =p
[22:26:02] <mru> bamiaux: you don't know the whole story
[22:26:22] <saintdev> i'd say for a coup it happened pretty cleanly, no blood was shed =P
[22:26:25] <Kovensky> mru: a blag post on hardwarebug would be nice
[22:26:57] <jannau> Kovensky: no, git remote set-url origin is enough since the repos are fully compatible
[22:27:01] <jannau> see my mail
[22:27:33] <Kovensky> jannau: ic, it would've been needed if the repos were desynced though
[22:27:59] <jannau> yes
[22:28:27] <bamiaux> lu_zero: fork
[22:36:06] <jannau> yes
[22:39:52] <DonDiego> bamiaux: why not keep the infrastructure that we are already using?
[22:40:11] <DonDiego> michael wanted to move to videolan anyway
[22:40:21] <DonDiego> so putting up git on mphq is fine...
[22:43:03] <bamiaux> it was not clear to me that both repositories would be alive
[22:44:58] <lu_zero> bamiaux: from my point of view too many people moved to this tree and/or shown interest when asked about
[22:47:10] * lu_zero meanwhile is figuring out what's wrong with his local sendmail
[22:47:28] <mru> lu_zero: that it's not postfix?
[22:49:37] <DonDiego> bamiaux: only time will tell
[22:50:46] <lu_zero> something smaller here ^^;
[22:51:58] <lu_zero> ssmtp
[22:52:19] <Kovensky> at least it isn't traditional sendmail
[22:53:13] <mru> oh, ssmtp
[22:53:31] <mru> it's not very good at receiving mail though...
[22:53:38] <mru> but I use it on my laptop
[22:53:44] <mru> no need for a fullblown MTA there
[22:53:48] <lu_zero> it is supposed to send them properly
[22:53:51] <lu_zero> and was
[22:54:45] <DonDiego> who is anders grönberg?
[22:55:18] <Kovensky> sounds swedish
[22:55:33] <DonDiego> we should decide what to do with the flamage
[22:55:49] <DonDiego> best not get into it
[22:56:14] <DonDiego> but maybe we need to make some statements
[22:56:39] <saintdev> i like that stefano would have preferred a bikeshed
[22:56:45] <Dark_Shikari> Exactly
[22:56:53] <Dark_Shikari> A discussion would have ensured nothing had happened.
[22:57:28] <hyc> sometimes that's the correct outcome, to maintain a community
[22:57:29] <jannau> he has at least 3 patches in ffmpeg
[22:57:41] <DonDiego> hyc: what do you mean?
[22:58:01] <hyc> If you want everyoen to feel like they are valued participants, you have to allow them the opportunity to participate.
[22:58:16] <hyc> When you do this, you send the clear message that they are not valued.
[22:58:16] <mru> that is _exactly_ what we are doing
[22:58:47] <bcoudurier> jannau, there are some problems with my email in some commits
[22:59:00] <bcoudurier> my email @smartjog.com which is outdated
[22:59:24] <Kovensky> 19:57.32 jannau: he has at least 3 patches in ffmpeg <-- who, anders or stefano?
[22:59:32] <jannau> bcoudurier: damn, could you have noticed earlier
[22:59:36] <hyc> Anyway, I tended to agree with Stefano's post - the end result may have been no different, and this result may in fact be the best going forward
[22:59:45] <DonDiego> hyc: you have a point there, but it's a bit more difficult than that
[22:59:47] <jannau> Kovensky: anders, all from december 2008
[22:59:55] <DonDiego> we were running into timing problems
[23:00:20] <DonDiego> at some point it was clear that there was no stopping this
[23:00:45] <DonDiego> and with a group of about 20 people it's also clear that it's enough to keep it alive and going
[23:00:52] <DonDiego> the first idea was to fork
[23:01:13] <Kovensky> I knew about the fork idea
[23:01:22] <DonDiego> but why should we fork when we are the majority and when michael has done what he could to fork away from us in the past?
[23:01:53] <Kovensky> fork away from you?
[23:02:22] <DonDiego> kicking out people, being generally paranoid and moving away from mphq
[23:02:44] <DonDiego> there have been multiple tries to make amends with michael behind the scenes
[23:02:51] <DonDiego> but they all failed
[23:03:15] <wm4> being paranoid?
[23:03:26] <DonDiego> also it was a bit a question who was available on irc
[23:03:28] <Dark_Shikari> Then post to the ML about that.
[23:03:46] <DonDiego> so something of good/bad luck and timing
[23:03:51] <Kovensky> I also found weird michael's complete refusal to participate on IRC
[23:03:52] <DonDiego> Dark_Shikari: who?
[23:03:59] <Dark_Shikari> DonDiego: you
[23:04:03] <Dark_Shikari> explain your reasoning.
[23:04:23] <Kovensky> basically, throw oil in the ffflames
[23:04:27] * Kovensky ducks
[23:04:31] <DonDiego> that's what i want to avoid
[23:05:03] <hyc> I'm perturbed that we are not using FaceBook as the primary developer communication medium.
[23:05:13] <DonDiego> lol
[23:05:19] * Dark_Shikari hits hyc with a giant hammer
[23:05:22] * Kovensky facebooks
[23:05:38] <mru> they should have project hosting on facebook
[23:05:44] * saintdev Likes this.
[23:05:45] <mru> then we could "like" commits
[23:05:50] <hyc> Ooooo
[23:06:03] <Kovensky> I thought you could "like" commits on github
[23:06:04] <merbanan> what is this facebook everybody talks about ?
[23:06:20] <Kovensky> it's when you take a book and thrust your face against it
[23:06:21] * Kovensky ducks
[23:06:27] <saintdev> Kovensky: beat me to it
[23:06:32] <mru> merbanan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY
[23:06:39] <saintdev> Kovensky: preferably hardcover
[23:06:48] <Dark_Shikari> merbanan: http://i51.tinypic.com/15yis7t.gif
[23:06:50] <Dark_Shikari> That's a facebook.
[23:07:32] <BBB> why like commits
[23:07:33] <BBB> like bugs
[23:07:37] <BBB> vote for bugs
[23:07:47] <BBB> I WANT THIS FEATURE! I LIKED IT!!! WHY DONT YOU DO IT!
[23:07:57] <jannau> bcoudurier: that were patches someone else committed and I took the email address from the commit message
[23:07:59] <Kovensky> uservoice!
[23:07:59] <BBB> (I know, bugzilla has that feature, it's retarded)
[23:08:02] <saintdev> BBB: you need the fabled dislike button for bugs
[23:09:31] <DonDiego> hmmmmmm
[23:09:44] <jannau> mru: I have though of extending cgit for flattr'ing of commits
[23:10:41] <bcoudurier> jannau, no
[23:10:47] <bcoudurier> see a4dc7aa5b5f2b8d1a2993b9887c0428e6b01677f
[23:12:15] <jannau> bcoudurier: the "patch by" has only a single email address for every name
[23:13:06] <jannau> +parsing script
[23:13:42] <lu_zero> jannau: sounds interesting
[23:14:00] <bcoudurier> jannau, why does this commit in the middle of nowhere has this email address ?
[23:14:34] <bcoudurier> err
[23:14:47] <jannau> lu_zero: http://git.jannau.net/git/FFmpeg.git.convert/tree/map_patchby.sh
[23:15:18] <jannau> bcoudurier: it was committed by stefano and has "Patch by Baptiste" in it's commit message
[23:15:35] <mru> ot: anyone interested in working at amazon on the kindle?
[23:15:45] <DonDiego> doing what?
[23:15:45] <mru> they're still hiring apparently
[23:15:58] <bcoudurier> why is the mail smartjog ?
[23:15:58] <BBB> does anyone want to work for cisco as a consultant?
[23:16:00] <bcoudurier> this is wrong
[23:16:11] <mru> they're looking for both OS and browser devs
[23:17:00] <bcoudurier> is it too late to fix ?
[23:17:14] <mru> it will ruin everybody's clones
[23:17:18] <jannau> bcoudurier: I'm sorry, but it was a massive amount of work to get the mappings done and nobody was interested in reviewing it
[23:17:37] <bcoudurier> well I don't see how this could slip in
[23:17:51] <bcoudurier> this is a bug in the script
[23:18:12] <mru> bcoudurier: maybe jannau doesn't know which email addresses are current for all developers
[23:18:13] <jannau> mru: as far as I know they are only looking for US based devs
[23:18:23] <mru> jannau: they'll assist with relocation
[23:18:58] <mru> "We're interested in hiring the best talent available on a truly global basis, and would be interested in hearing from talented engineers regardless of current locale."
[23:19:05] <jannau> the recruiting spam I got in december was US only
[23:20:33] <BBB> mru: send to mike and alex converse
[23:20:36] <BBB> mru: they're looking
[23:20:44] <BBB> brb
[23:22:30] <jannau> or at least I was on their US-based kernel hackers list
[23:23:14] <mru> mike melanson?
[23:23:21] <mru> has he had enough of flash?
[23:32:29] <DonDiego> bcoudurier: work for cisco doing what?
[23:32:33] <TheUni> mru: welcome back (cory, from xbmc)
[23:32:47] <TheUni> mru: any reason to allow dirlisting here: http://git.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.git/ ?
[23:33:33] <lu_zero> TheUni: http clone I think
[23:35:55] <mru> does that require dirlisting?
[23:36:00] <mru> not that allowing it does any harm
[23:36:23] <TheUni> mru: if you're going to list it, i'd at least hide it from crawlers
[23:39:47] <jannau> mru: post-receive hook calls git update-server-info for http access
[23:40:14] <mru> right, I should know that...
[23:47:49] <mru> there, fixed
[23:47:56] <mru> thanks for noticing
[23:48:08] <TheUni> yup, good, thanks
[23:48:24] <TheUni> don't think much would've come of it other than bots hitting you for useless files
[23:49:38] <mru> yeah, it's not like anyone could cause any real damage
[23:51:31] <TheUni> mru: also, https cert issues. I'm not sure if you're doing pubkey auth only or not, but our win32 devs have found that https pushes ease the pain of moving to git
[23:51:51] <mru> we're using ssh only
[23:52:12] <mru> I don't trust web servers to write my repos
[23:52:27] <TheUni> ok
[23:52:45] <mru> we support read-only git and http of course
[23:52:46] <DonDiego> http://pastebin.com/Un0xHjkw
[23:52:49] <DonDiego> reply
[23:54:28] <mru> looks good
[23:55:19] <DonDiego> jannau, BBB, Dark_Shikari, merbanan, whomever?
[23:56:41] <Dark_Shikari> You might want to state something along the lines of "this was to avoid a fork"
[23:56:51] <Dark_Shikari> with regard to the mention of the fork
[23:57:22] <DonDiego> just a sec
[23:57:36] <DonDiego> i'd again appreciate if somebody less controversial could send