[Ffmpeg-devel-irc] ffmpeg.log.20130121

[burek]

[00:07] <KeshlWare> D:
[00:10] <mudlord> oh dear
[00:10] <mudlord> thats not supposed to happen!
[00:24] <mudlord> hm
[02:08] <elkng> "James Cameron stated his intention to film the two Avatar sequels at a higher frame rate than the industry standard 24 frames per second, in order to add a heightened sense of reality", but we cant see more than 24 frames anyway, how it will
[02:08] <elkng>  increase sense of reality ?
[02:17] <KeshlWare> I can see faster than it.
[02:17] <KeshlWare> I can see the difference between 60 and 120 FPS.
[02:17] <KeshlWare> So there.
[02:17] <KeshlWare> <.<
[02:17] <KeshlWare> 24 FPS drives me nuts.
[02:17] <mudlord> no you cant
[02:17] <mudlord> elkng said so
[02:17] <KeshlWare> Yes I can. D:
[02:17] <KeshlWare> ... Also, seriously?
[02:17] <KeshlWare> that's a planned trilogy? Oh boy.. <.<
[02:18] <elkng> KeshlWare: quadrology
[02:19] <KeshlWare> Whus? .É.
[02:59] <_numbers> anyone have tips for eliminating stuttering? i have a video is that is 1hr 52min and i'm trying to stream it over rtmp. it works fine except for a few action scenes.
[03:00] <_numbers> i'm using h.264 mp4 and rtmp. i've tried over 40 kinds of bitrates, framerates, and quality settings for both video and audio.  each stream a little differently but this one scene where a person is mountain biking always stutters
[03:00] <_numbers> i've tried different rtmp servers (aws cloudfront, nginx rtmp), and different rtmp streaming players (in-browser flash, ffplay)
[03:01] <_numbers> i've looked at bandwidth monitors and cpu monitors. my cpu is not peaking, neither is my bandwidth being challenged. i don't fully understand why a few scenes would stutter
[03:01] <_numbers> i've tried only compiling that scene to its own 15min video, and it streams fine. it seems like a combination of the scene and the length of the video that is streaming
[03:02] <_numbers> or , specifically to ffplay, what is the 'A-V: 0.00XX' metric that shows in the stdout console while it is playing rtmp? i noticed it goes from -0.0021 to like -1.500 which is the only unusual thing i could find about that scene
[03:03] <iive> my guess audio time minus video time.
[03:03] <_numbers> it kind of looks like a buffer because it only goes between 0.000 and some number like -2.000
[03:03] <iive> that is the position of audio samples played in seconds, minus the timestamp of the video frame.
[03:03] <_numbers> and it is always bouncing up and down
[03:04] <iive> so if I understand correctly, you have the thing already encoded, so you are not re-encoding during streaming.
[03:05] <_numbers>  70.15 A-V: -0.001 fd= 104 aq= 102KB vq= 22KB sq = 0B f=0/0 f=0/0
[03:05] <_numbers> right i've tried various encoders too from Sony Vegas Pro, TX264, Handbrake, and ffmpeg in console
[03:05] <iive> yes it bounces because audio and video frames are not always exact multiples and something process scheduler is not quite exact.
[03:05] <_numbers> but when i stream its a VOD .mp4 file
[03:06] <iive> so when you play the file, everything is normal?
[03:06] <_numbers> it plays fine except on scenes where there are a lot of pixels changing
[03:06] <iive> when playing the file from the hdd ?
[03:06] <_numbers> when i play locally its flawless
[03:07] <_numbers> i also tried setting up an rtmp server locally with nginx and it played flawlessly
[03:07] <_numbers> which must mean that bandwidth plays some role
[03:07] <iive> do you have a tool to capture the received stream?
[03:07] <_numbers> or the server cpu but its a aws ec2 large instance and i'm the only client streaming it so i doubt that. i have watched in htop and its got 2 cores that never go above 7%
[03:08] <_numbers> i have been using streaming video players to test the stream. what do you mean by "capture"?
[03:08] <iive> to save it to a file.
[03:08] <iive> so you can compare if e.g. frames are missing.
[03:08] <_numbers> i am aware of rtmpdump but how would that help
[03:08] <_numbers> hmm
[03:09] <_numbers> i can try to see if i can get rtmpdump to save it
[03:09] <iive> i'm total newb about rtmp protocol. I know nothing of it.
[03:10] <iive> Is there any way to specify bandwidth limit for the steaming servers?
[03:10] <_numbers> i don't think its rtmp because i've tried two different servers and got the same result
[03:10] <_numbers> i think i need to tweak the bitrate or framerate or resolution or some codec setting of h.264
[03:11] <iive> well... if you have limitation of max bitrate, then the server may simply discard any frame that doesn't fit into it.
[03:11] <_numbers> i have one version of the encoding that will play the scene without stuttering but its 300kbps bitrate and the quality is unacceptable. very blocky
[03:11] <_numbers> ah that could be part of it; server discarding frames
[03:12] <iive> usually stuff like vbv is used.
[03:12] <iive> but... again... this should be known to the encoder before encoding and you should know what the buffer size is on the client.
[03:13] <iive> not that big buffers are problem on PC software.
[03:13] <_numbers> the two streaming players i've tried client-side are: MediaElement.js, and the ffplay binary
[03:16] <_numbers> if you want i can link you to the test page i made for the video
[03:16] <iive> btw, I know of only one good h264 encoder - x264. handbrake and ffmpeg does use it. Sony may be using another encoder...
[03:17] <iive> to watch it on my browser?
[03:17] <_numbers> the video bitrate i am targeting is 768kbps. i chose that because i am comparing against a disney movie trailer for pirates that plays extremely well at that same bitrate for me
[03:17] <_numbers> ya
[03:17] <_numbers> the disney trailer is nothing but action scene after action scene for like 12 minutes and it plays great
[03:17] <_numbers> through my rtmp server
[03:18] <_numbers> whereas my ~2hr video, which is more like a powerpoint slideshow with a few very sparse and short action scenes, plays fine except on the action scenes which stutter horribly
[03:25] <_numbers> i just don't understand how disney's 16mb action-packed trailer streams flawlessly but my 669MB with the (as close as i could tell) same encoding settings stutters badly on any action scene of mine
[03:35] <iive> so, the issue 12mbps in the relevant part. rc=abr and 2 pass encoding.
[03:40] <iive> cu
[03:43] <_numbers> found http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Encoding_Suggestions#VBV_Encoding
[03:43] <_numbers> seems like i would want --vbv-bufsize=768kb --vbv-maxrate=uncapped/maximum --vv-init=minimum
[05:21] <Zeranoe> Hi, how can I encode with subtitles using FFmpeg? I'm using the command ffmpeg.exe -i "input.wmv" -vf subtitles="subtitles.srt" -y -b 384000 -r 24 -s 640x480 -codec:v rv20 -vsync 1 -async 1 "output.rm" but I get the error: Error initializing filter 'subtitles' with args 'subtitles.srt'
[05:57] <_numbers> how do i pass the string of x264 options to ffmpeg without using a file?
[05:58] <_numbers> like: ffmpeg -vpre cabac=1:ref+2:deblock=1:0:0...
[06:00] <relaxed> use a preset
[06:00] <_numbers> i want to customize the preset
[06:01] <relaxed> specify a preset and then add the options you want changed.
[06:02] <relaxed> run `ffmpeg -h full | less` and scroll down to the "libx264 AVOptions:" section
[08:02] <Nick-S> why is #java invite only ?:(
[08:44] <Nick-S> dear fellas, i find it very hard to work with h264 presets
[09:01] <jbermudes> I have jack setup with an audio interface that provides 4 channels. Can I use ffmpeg to record a webcam and get the audio from those 4 channels?
[09:47] <arshavin> can i watch a video while converting or dumping it from a website simultaneously
[09:51] <arshavin> like ffmpeg -i rtsp some link out.mp4 then pipe it to ffplay
[09:51] <buhman> ffmpeg is so awesome
[09:52] <arshavin> buhman: it sure is,but how can i do that?
[09:52] <buhman> oh
[09:53] <buhman> arshavin: I wasn't talking about you; I just impressed a group of women with my ffmpeg skills (though they had no idea that I used ffmpeg to do it, doesn't matter :P)
[09:53] <buhman> arshavin: if ffmpeg/lavf can decode it, surely ffplay can too
[09:54] <arshavin> buhman: but how?
[09:54] <buhman> arshavin: well, I'm wondering why you're wanting to "convert or dump" a video and play it at the same time, while you could just play the original
[09:54] <buhman> arshavin: is it your ultimate goal to transcode this video, or to play it?
[09:55] <arshavin> buhman: is it possible withot writing a shell script?
[09:55] <buhman> 02:54 < buhman> arshavin: is it your ultimate goal to transcode this video, or to play it?
[09:56] <arshavin> buhman: cos i am on a limited bandwidth,if dump isn't quality i would stop and retry
[09:56] <arshavin> buhman: obviously i could do tht separately
[09:57] <buhman> ok; so how is ffmpeg involved?
[09:57] <buhman> arshavin: in any case, depending on the container, you could just play the output file as it's being written
[09:59] <arshavin> buhman: yes,i could ,but I have been wondering if only one line of ffmpeg command could do that
[10:00] <arshavin> buhman: the output file of ffmpeg could be piped to ffplay or mplayer
[10:00] <buhman> that would not satisfy your first requirement
[10:00] <buhman> you are contradicting yourself
[10:01] <buhman> arshavin: but yes, you could tell ffmpeg to use stdout, then tee the output to some video player, as well as a file
[10:01] <buhman> depending on your requirements (which are still unclear)
[10:02] <buhman> why you want this decode -> encode -> decode pipeline is beyond my comprehension
[10:02] <arshavin> buhman: yes stdout and output to video player
[10:04] <arshavin> buhman: i have tv tuner card on my old desktop,if i could do this i would be able to watch tv at the same time while i m recording
[10:04] <klaxa> why not source | tee decode | decode --> encode ?
[10:06] <arshavin> buhman:tv tuner device /dev/video wont work with two programs simultaneously so one can either record or wath tv
[10:06] <jbermudes> If I have one device that presents itself as 4 jack capture ports, can I use them as separate input streams for a video?
[10:08] <arshavin> jbermudes: not sure about that
[10:08] <arshavin> jbermudes: if that device creates four separate /dev/device files only then
[10:10] <arshavin> jbermudes:The main reason ,i want this to work is because I can't watch tv while I am recording with ffmpeg or mplayer
[10:19] <rg_> hi..I just installed ffmpeg using instructions from https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide , on ubuntu 12.04, but am getting error: ./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: libavcodec.so.54: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when I try to run my opencv code
[11:34] <raket> did anyone figure out how to setup ffserver the same m.youtube.com does? :-)
[12:08] <buhman> raket: they use ffserver?
[12:15] <raket> regardless if they do or not, i'm interested if ffserver can behave the same way as that does with rtsp protocol. for streaming :-)
[12:19] <raket> is it possible for ffserver to stream h.264 (MPEG Part 10/AVC), Baseline profile, QVGA (240x340), 30 fps, 196kbit?
[12:19] <raket> 240x320 :-)
[12:21] <durandal_1707> it can stream everthing libav* supports
[12:23] <raket> Video: h263, yuv420p, 176x144 [SAR 12:11 DAR 4:3], 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 29.97 tbc Audio: amr_nb, 8000 Hz, 1 channels, flt. what would be a suitable ffserver.conf or ffmpeg cmdline for exactly that :-)?
[12:43] <raket> omg thank you guys. i got it to work, and even though the phone specs says only 192kbit is supported it supported 1mbit stream anyway
[12:57] <scrambles> hey guys, i'm trying to compile ffmpeg with h264 to use in an iphone project and i'm getting the following error on make: http://pastebin.com/LDQB964q
[12:58] <scrambles> can anyone give me a little help? thks
[12:59] <Mavrik> hmm, looks like broken cross-compilation settings :\
[13:01] <scrambles> What do you suggest Mavrik? Do you want me to show you my configure command?
[13:40] <raket> okay. Format rtp works in ffserver. but my device sends "PLAY test.3gp/streamid=0 RTP/TCP" while ffplay sends "PLAY test.3gp/streamid=0 RTP/UDP" ? :-)
[14:11] <xetius> Im trying to convert some videos into one of the following formats for my daughter http://pastebin.com/Hpfai3mp.  But I don't have a clue as to what I should set for the parameters.  Could anyone help?
[16:21] <burek> xetius, what exactly should the video and audio codecs (and params) be
[16:21] <burek> since i dont quite recognize your pastebin
[16:21] <burek> as an output of any familiar software
[16:22] <burek> raket
[16:22] <burek> you can force ffplay to tcp mode
[16:23] <burek> take a look here http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-protocols.html#rtp
[16:23] <burek> what you need is -rtsp_transport tcp
[16:24] <burek> so that ffplay would skip trying udp first
[16:24] <Mavrik> burek: it seems either standard MPEG2 or xvid versions of it
[16:24] <Mavrik> with PCM or MP3 audio
[16:24] <xetius> sorry, the pastebin is from the TV manual, which specified the video files playable on the TV
[16:25] <xetius> Apologies, I have found a solution to this now, using avconv
[16:25] <xetius> avconv -i yourvideo -c:a libmp3lame -b:a 128k -c:v mpeg2video -qscale 2 -y output.mpg
[16:25] <xetius> these work
[16:31] <burek> Thanks Mavrik
[16:31] <burek> xetius, well great :)
[16:31] <burek> btw, you are not using ffmpeg (avconv is not ffmpeg)
[16:31] <burek> it's just a fork of ffmpeg
[16:35] <xetius> Yes, I have both (Source of both), and was just looking for something that worked.  Have used FFMpeg over the years, but the guys at libav were a little quicker with their response
[16:36] <xetius> I know about the history of ffmpeg and avconv
[16:44] <durandal_1707> xetius: same paramters you found works with real ffmpeg too....
[16:55] <Zeeflo> Can someone remind me of the track options when I want to encode i.e track 0:1 and track 0:2 from a mkv?
[16:57] <JEEB> map
[16:57] <Zeeflo> ah yea
[16:57] <JEEB> the first zero is the number of input file
[16:57] <JEEB> so if you have more than one -i
[16:57] <JEEB> the first one is zero, second one is 1 etc.
[16:57] <JEEB> and then the second number is the track
[16:58] <Zeeflo> so it would be map 0:2 then ?
[16:58] <Zeeflo> 0 for video and 2 for the audio ?
[16:58] <JEEB> no
[16:58] <JEEB> first number is input file number
[16:58] <JEEB> second is track number
[16:58] <JEEB> so if you want to have tracks 0 and 2 of the first input
[16:58] <JEEB> -map 0:0 -map 0:2
[16:59] <Zeeflo> AH YEA like that
[16:59] <Zeeflo> so a MAP for every stream you want in the output file
[16:59] <Zeeflo> got it
[17:00] <Zeeflo> thanks
[17:02] <Zeeflo> Can it be true that the encoding is faster when encoding from a 720p MKV then it is from a 720p AVI with the same settings?
[17:03] <klaxa> encoding should not be faster if you have the same settings and the same machine
[17:03] <JEEB> is the encoding faster from a red box than from a white box :P
[17:03] <klaxa> decoding speed could be slightly faster
[17:03] <JEEB> you mention containers
[17:03] <klaxa> that too
[17:04] <klaxa> i'mma assume h264 and xvid :P
[17:04] <Zeeflo> yea, thats right
[17:04] <JEEB> s/xvid/mpeg-4 part 2/
[17:04] <Zeeflo> h264 and xvid
[17:04] <Zeeflo> it somehow seems encoding from h264 (mkv) to h264 (mp4) is faster then from xvid to h264 (mp4).
[17:05] <Zeeflo> Even though I also would think it would be the same..
[17:05] <JEEB> well, the container probably doesn't matter jack
[17:05] <Zeeflo> a setting is a setting..
[17:05] <JEEB> but the video format can
[17:05] <Zeeflo> yea
[17:05] <JEEB> in theory mpeg-4 part 2 should decode faster, but I wouldn't be surprised if no-one actually bothered to optimize it as much
[17:06] <JEEB> because H.264 is much more needed nowadays
[17:06] <Zeeflo> yea
[17:06] <Zeeflo> I use it for streaming
[17:06] <Zeeflo> i would use webm
[17:06] <Zeeflo> but its just toooo god d*** slow!
[17:06] <Zeeflo> (encoding that is)
[17:07] <JEEB> also it could be the default for that format regarding decoding multithreading
[17:07] <JEEB> I dunno
[17:07] <JEEB> I have no idea :P
[17:08] <Zeeflo> no matter what ive tried, including setting threads etc, webm encodes 3-4 times slower then h264
[17:08] <Zeeflo> and im talking on a 32 threaded dual cpu xeon with 32 gb ram
[17:09] <Zeeflo> and raid0 ssd's
[17:09] <Zeeflo> im looking forward to webm9
[17:14] <klaxa> webm9? you mean vp9
[17:14] <klaxa> ?
[17:15] <klaxa> also vp8 != h264
[17:15] <klaxa> afaik
[17:16] <JEEB> he meant libvpx and vp8 output
[17:17] <JEEB> and yeah, he isn't saying that vp8 equals H.264
[17:17] <JEEB> and yeah, he probably meant vp9
[17:18] <Zeeflo> yea vp9
[17:18] <JEEB> BBB is hell-bent on kicking x264's ass, so all power to them. The more people are trying to compete, the better
[17:18] <JEEB> that said, I really wonder what the result will be like
[17:20] <Zeeflo> I just hope that I dont have to re-encode 300 titles from x264 to vp9 any time soon :P
[17:22] <Zeeflo> but i do suspect vp9 will be far superior on crossplatforms/browsers..
[17:22] <Zeeflo> So they day _will_ come!
[17:23] <Zeeflo> you try viewing a mp4 streamed to Firefox.. Its not really a pleasent experience.
[17:23] <JEEB> the media foundation backend seems to work relatively well
[17:23] <JEEB> in the nightlies
[17:25] <Zeeflo> on IE8+ it works good! Except for true fullscreen
[17:25] <Fjorgynn> i6 is the best still
[17:25] <Fjorgynn> Zeeflo: stop lkying
[17:25] <Zeeflo> im not lying.
[17:25] <JEEB> on win7+ you can try the nightlies and do this http://browserfame.com/1033/firefox-h264-codec-windows
[17:25] <Zeeflo> any of my mp4s streamed to IE9 wont play in true fullscreen
[17:26] <Zeeflo> no matter what player I use!
[17:26] <Zeeflo> the only browser that handles mp4 really well is safari (obviously) and chrome.
[17:27] <Zeeflo> on second place comes IE, but the windowed full screen is f'ing annoying. FireFox and other browsers dont handle mp4 at all!
[17:28] <Zeeflo> hmm
[17:29] <durandal_1707> browser is not multimedia reproducer
[17:29] <Zeeflo> Updating firefox.. I hope it helps!
[17:30] <Zeeflo> Uhm..
[17:30] <Zeeflo> Why did FF only update to 18 ?
[17:31] <Zeeflo> isnt nightly 20?
[17:31] <Zeeflo> Still plays like crap in FF
[17:50] <Zeeflo> JEEB, did you download and install the SDK kit to get better playback?
[18:25] <fatpony> when i encode some m2ts with ffmpeg and x264 and mux them to mkv, sometimes the framerate is shown as variable, should i force it while encoding or while muxing?
[18:26] <Zeeflo> variable framerate?
[18:26] <microchip_> if i use the -ar option, will it automatically resample to the Hz specified?
[18:27] <Zeeflo> VBR in the sound is ok..
[18:27] <Zeeflo> if thats what you mean
[18:28] <Zeeflo> but if you dont want to use vbr, just use cbr
[18:30] <Mavrik> fatpony: hmm... you shouldn't force fps to something that's not encoded
[18:31] <Mavrik> fatpony: so... if you want to force fps then do it while encoding
[18:31] <Mavrik> so you'll have as much frames as your container will claim  you have
[18:31] <Mavrik> microchip_: yes.
[18:31] <fatpony> Mavrik: so i should add the framerate to ffmpeg? not mkvmerge?
[18:31] <Mavrik> yep
[18:31] <Mavrik> or... just ignore the flag if video looks ok :)
[18:31] <Zeeflo> ahh you have raw video
[18:32] <Zeeflo> probe it
[18:32] <Zeeflo> define in ffmpeg when ffprobe tells you the video is
[18:32] <microchip_> Mavrik: thanks
[18:33] <fatpony> Zeeflo: yeah, i was encoding from a vc1 stream actually
[18:35] <fatpony> will ffmpeg convert 23.976 to 24000/1001?
[18:35] <Mavrik> yea
[18:36] <Mavrik> you can also pass 24000/1001 to "-r" IIRC
[18:36] <fatpony> well, as long as it ends up being the correct rate...
[18:36] <Zeeflo> it will
[18:47] <xetius> If I just supply multiple -i sources, will it just join the videos?  or do I have to do something extra?
[18:55] <llogan> xetius: http://ffmpeg.org/faq.html#How-can-I-join-video-files_003f
[18:55] <llogan> so no, it won't just join the videos
[18:56] <xetius> llogan, thanks.  So I seem to need to convert the avi videos to mpg, cat them and then convert them back?
[18:58] <llogan> that is one method as shown in the FAQ, but there is also the concat protcol, filter, and demuxer
[19:08] <Zeeflo> exit
[20:13] <d0x0b> hello i am trying to convert sequence of images jpg into movie avi or mov but only one image is shown through the whole video period i am using this command: ffmpeg -f image2 -r 24 -i image%03d.jpg -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800k video.avi
[20:16] <d0x0b> llogan: sure one sec
[20:16] <d0x0b> http://pastie.org/5785418
[20:18] <llogan> are your images sequentially numbered, starting with image001.jpg?
[20:19] <d0x0b> yes
[20:20] <d0x0b> image000.jpg is first one
[20:20] <d0x0b> from image000.jpg upto image100.jpg
[20:22] <llogan> can you provide the output video?
[20:22] <Zeeflo> http://pastebin.ca/2305455 any ideas?
[20:23] <d0x0b> llogan: yes but private pls
[20:23] <llogan> d0x0b: you can PM the link if you prefer
[20:24] <d0x0b> yes tnx
[20:24] <d0x0b> one sec
[20:24] <llogan> Zeeflo: that's not much context
[20:25] <Zeeflo> llogan, its the error message
[20:26] <durandal_1707> what error message?
[20:26] <Zeeflo> http://pastebin.ca/2305455 any ideas?
[20:26] <Zeeflo> that one
[20:26] <Zeeflo> i get that error message and ffmpeg shuts down
[20:26] <durandal_1707> i see no error message
[20:27] <Zeeflo> what do you see then
[20:27] <durandal_1707> you should use image%3d.jpg
[20:27] <Zeeflo> i should what?
[20:28] <d0x0b> durandal_1707: even if i change to image3d.jpg still one image in video only
[20:29] <durandal_1707> are you sure that all images you have are really different?
[20:30] <d0x0b> fuck wrong dir
[20:30] <d0x0b> lol my mistake
[20:30] <d0x0b> all images are same
[20:30] <d0x0b> auch auch
[20:30] <llogan> heh. i was wondering about the images too...sicne the duration was about right
[20:30] <d0x0b> yes llogan hehe my mistake
[20:30] <d0x0b> sorry for this
[21:45] <Fjorgynn> :D
[22:03] <apo> Hi
[22:04] <apo> just checked out git, trying to compile it with the geq filter enabled, but even if I run configure with --enable-filter=geq it doesn't show up as enabled. Help?
[22:07] <llogan> apo: that filter requires --enable-gpl
[22:07] <llogan> you won't ever need to --enable-filter=foo
[22:07] <apo> llogan: Thanks, that worked.
[22:13] <apo> llogan: Do you know what color space exactly I'm working in when I'm fiddling with the values in geq?
[22:13] <durandal_1707> yuv ones of 8 bit depth
[22:14] <apo> YUV? Not YCbCr?
[22:15] <apo> oh, it's different between videos
[22:15] <durandal_1707> it is YCbCr
[22:22] <apo> That... looks wrong
[22:23] <apo> but at least it's doing something :P
[22:45] <Snaggle> I'm getting a build error at libavcodec/h264_refs.c with ffmpeg-1.0.2 on OS X.  http://paste.lisp.org/display/134819  This failure doesn't happen with either ffmpeg 1.0.1, 1.1* or ffmpeg-git head.  I see a some chatter in the git logs for this file over the last couple days, but it doesn't seem to address this particular failure.  configure and failed compile command at above paste url.
[22:49] <durandal_1707> michaelni: ^
[23:18] <michaelni> Snaggle, will be fixed in the next 1.0 release
[23:22] <Snaggle> michaelni: awesome.  thank you for the fast response
[23:26] <michaelni> Snaggle, you can check the release/1.0 branch, it should work
[23:33] <Snaggle> michaelni: seems good now (took a sec to figure out how to checkout a release branch)
[23:33] <Snaggle> thanks again
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