[Ffmpeg-devel-irc] ffmpeg.log.20150930

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[01:07:29 CEST] <Vgubbala> Hi I am new to FFmpeg. Can anyone share me link with instructions to build latest ffmpeg to use in Android application?
[01:33:27 CEST] <maldo> quit
[02:15:21 CEST] <epitron> i'm having trouble figuring out how to set the encoder parameters for the "nvenc_h264" codec
[02:15:27 CEST] <epitron> i found a list of them here: https://github.com/libav/libav/blob/master/libavcodec/nvenc_h264.c#L62
[02:15:33 CEST] <epitron> i wanted to use constant QP
[02:15:41 CEST] <epitron> (-qp ## doesn't work)
[02:16:19 CEST] <epitron> i'm having trouble figuring out how to set the encoder parameters for the "nvenc_h264" codec"
[02:16:22 CEST] <epitron> dah
[02:16:28 CEST] <epitron> "Error while opening encoder for output stream #0:0 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height"
[02:16:36 CEST] <epitron> ^- the error
[03:06:22 CEST] <c_14> epitron: not the actual error, the real error is further up, also that's the source file for libav and not ffmpeg. Not sure if there are differences though
[03:07:25 CEST] <MadTBone> is there a function (perhaps from libavutil?) that does peak detection on audio frames?
[03:29:40 CEST] <klaxa> volumedetect filter? https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-filters.html#volumedetect
[03:29:47 CEST] <klaxa> MadTBone: ^
[03:32:21 CEST] <gcl5cp> I have a multitrack mkv #0:0: Vid -- #0:1(ita): Aud -- #0:2(eng): Aud -- #0:3(eng): Sub
[03:32:25 CEST] <gcl5cp> I want swap audios and volume-up both
[03:34:00 CEST] <gcl5cp> ffmpeg -i X.mkv -map v -map a:1 -map a:0 -map 0:3 -c:v ... -c:a ... -af:a:1 volume=2dB -af:a:0 volume=5dB
[03:34:27 CEST] <gcl5cp> and it's working, forget it
[03:35:43 CEST] <MadTBone> klaxa:  thanks.  looks like what I want.
[04:10:43 CEST] <epitron> c_14: hah, that could explain why that option didn't work
[04:12:04 CEST] <epitron> okay, here's the right source file: https://www.ffmpeg.org/doxygen/2.7/nvenc_8c.html#a384ff94b5139f441c282c9b4c7b985e6
[04:13:04 CEST] <epitron> and here's the right error: "[nvenc_h264 @ 0x193b160] >> dl_fn->cu_init(0) - failed with error code 0x64
[04:13:36 CEST] <epitron> is there a way to list all the options for a codec?
[04:13:58 CEST] <c_14> ffmpeg -h encoder=nvenc_h264
[04:15:41 CEST] <c_14> epitron: looks like a problem with cuda
[04:17:38 CEST] <c_14> It should probably also say something like "No CUDA capable devices found."
[04:18:04 CEST] <c_14> I won't know more without a complete pastebin of the command output though, preferably with -loglevel verbose
[05:06:05 CEST] <epitron> c_14: omfg, you're right
[05:06:24 CEST] <epitron> the nvidia kernel module is totally broken because i just upgraded it
[05:06:30 CEST] <epitron> thank you :)
[05:41:56 CEST] <pinPoint> i thought cuda was no go in ffmpeg or did I miss something?
[05:42:09 CEST] <c_14> You need CUDA for nvenc
[05:42:40 CEST] <pinPoint> i've 2300 of them I think :)
[05:42:51 CEST] <pinPoint> what do you use nvenc for exactly?
[05:43:20 CEST] <c_14> Personally, nothing. Some people use it to encode video quickly when they don't have any CPU to spare.
[05:43:44 CEST] <pinPoint> and it is faster or just another tool to use from the shed?
[05:45:04 CEST] <c_14> It doesn't use the CPU (mostly), so if your CPU is hogged it is faster, yes.
[05:45:58 CEST] <c_14> x264 on ultrafast gets better quality though and uses next to no CPU, so there's usually no point
[09:48:28 CEST] <roxlu> Hey! I just compiled the master branch of ffmpeg and I'm wondering how I can test if it's using VideoToolbox for decoding ?
[10:12:02 CEST] <keyser7654> hello! anyone know how to detect "decode_slice_header error" when decoding with libxh264?
[10:22:55 CEST] <roxlu> ha! I'm just getting the same error for every h264 I try :)
[10:44:37 CEST] <ace040> hello
[10:46:54 CEST] <ace040> I'm confused about something: is there an alternative to x264 in LGPL avcodec for H.264 encoding?
[10:47:30 CEST] <ace040> and if there is, what would the corresponding AV_CODEC_ID_ entry be?
[10:53:02 CEST] <durandal_1707> ace040: libopenh264
[11:03:55 CEST] <ace040> durandal_1707
[11:04:10 CEST] <ace040> ^ sorry typo
[11:04:49 CEST] <ace040> I did not know about this lib, going to look into it now
[11:04:51 CEST] <ace040> thanks for the heads up
[12:05:53 CEST] <mizdr> I am trying to install ffmpeg (visual studio 2015 on windows 10) I have followed the instructions here: https://www.ffmpeg.org/platform.html and get the error "C compiler test failed" with the last line of config.log being " fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'kernel32.lib'"
[12:06:15 CEST] <mizdr> any help fixing this would be greatly appreciated
[13:16:08 CEST] <sine`> pinPoint: just did song.mp3 song.wav it converts it with the fat wav
[17:01:10 CEST] <Kronuz> good morning
[17:01:39 CEST] <Kronuz> hwy, does anybody know if there's an option for m4a files in ffmpeg to make them playable before the whole file is written?
[17:02:15 CEST] <Kronuz> (or any other container with an aac stream in it, which can be played before the whole file is there?)
[17:02:46 CEST] <Kronuz> I'm trying to capture a stream from the internet into a m4a, but if I try opening the file while it's capturing, I can't play it.. it says it's invalid
[17:03:11 CEST] <Kronuz> when I end capturing (^C), then I'm able to play it
[17:33:19 CEST] <Mavrik> Kronuz, that's not really possible with m4a
[17:33:35 CEST] <Mavrik> perhaps in segmented mode where you can play a segment
[17:33:51 CEST] <Kronuz> hmm
[17:34:55 CEST] <Kronuz> Mavrik, is there any other container that allows that?
[17:35:16 CEST] <BtbN> basicaly everything that's not mp4
[17:35:33 CEST] <Mavrik> mkv I guess, or .ts
[17:40:34 CEST] <Kronuz> BtbN, isn't faststart for that?
[17:41:38 CEST] <JEEB> faststart needs a ready flie
[17:41:39 CEST] <JEEB> *file
[17:41:52 CEST] <JEEB> fragments mode enables you to play everything but the currently being-written segment
[17:42:28 CEST] <JEEB> but yes, if you need streaming mov and its derivatives are not the best alternative
[17:44:18 CEST] <Kronuz> JEEB, how do you enable fragments for m4a? just passing -movflags faststart ?
[17:44:56 CEST] <Kronuz> JEEB, and most importantly, how do you enable it by using the API? is that an option of the format context?
[17:46:34 CEST] <Mavrik> Kronuz, faststart just moves the MOOV atom after the file is written
[17:46:41 CEST] <Mavrik> MOOV atom cannot be generated until full file is complete.
[17:46:53 CEST] <Mavrik> unless you split it into segments where each has it's own moov atom
[17:47:03 CEST] <Mavrik> If you want streaming, use a format made for streaming.
[17:47:05 CEST] <Mavrik> E.g. MPEG2-TS
[17:47:24 CEST] <BtbN> Well, some people realy wanted to be able to stream mp4, so they invented DASH...
[17:49:27 CEST] <Kronuz> Mavrik, not streaming per se, but I want ffmpeg to be capturing a stream from the Internet and writing it to m4a, but I still want to be able to play the m4a (at least some of it) before I stop ffmpeg
[17:50:43 CEST] <Kronuz> so, I guess I'd have to write header data and trailing then again header, data and trailing?
[20:27:27 CEST] <dv_> um, anybody know what a "BI picture" is? I tried to google for it, but don't get much
[20:27:45 CEST] <Axydlbaaxr> Hi - does anyone know of a tool that I can use to capture performance metrics of ffserver? I want to analyze the performance of a video stream under various levels of system activity and stress.
[20:28:10 CEST] <dv_> a "bidirectional intra frame" sounds weird
[20:32:28 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> dv_: from the name sounds like an i frame that can be used by a gop that's in front and behind the frame in time
[20:32:31 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> maybe open gop ?
[20:33:04 CEST] <dv_> hmm, come to think of it, I haven't seen these outside of VC-1 content. perhaps its VC1 specific
[20:34:39 CEST] <dv_> ah, indeed. "BI-frame: B-frames where all macroblocks are intra coded, but the frame cannot be used as a reference"
[20:35:53 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> dv_: that doesn't even sound like a b frame then
[20:36:01 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> oh wait
[20:36:05 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> because it's not
[20:36:17 CEST] <ChocolateArmpits> hell I think I forgot how these things work
[20:46:25 CEST] <Vgubbala> Anyone help me to build FFMpeg 2.8 for android? Is FFmpeg 2.8 is supported for android?
[21:21:59 CEST] <DelphiWorld> hi guys
[21:22:00 CEST] <DelphiWorld> ;)
[21:22:16 CEST] <DelphiWorld> how to include the "track" metadata while copying the codec?
[21:22:25 CEST] <DelphiWorld> not the container metadata, but the track
[21:23:07 CEST] <DelphiWorld> encoder         : LAME3.99r
[21:23:08 CEST] <DelphiWorld> Side data: replaygain: track gain - -11.800000, track peak - unknown, album gain - unknown, album peak - unknown,
[21:24:01 CEST] <c_14> Should be by default, but you can use -map_metadata:s:a:0 0:s:a:0 (for the first output audio track and the first input audio track)
[21:24:32 CEST] <DelphiWorld> just a test:
[21:24:39 CEST] <DelphiWorld> ffmpeg -i 1.mp3 -acodec copy 0.mp3
[21:24:42 CEST] <DelphiWorld> its copying the meta
[21:24:46 CEST] <DelphiWorld> and thank a lot c_14
[21:42:14 CEST] <DelphiWorld> TD-Linux: time division linux;)
[21:42:50 CEST] <TD-Linux> "TD" was too short for some IRC servers
[21:44:44 CEST] <podman> Hi there! If I have a video that has a variable frame rate, what is the best way to determine the frame rate to use if I wanted to convert it to a constant frame rate video?
[21:46:15 CEST] <DelphiWorld> tdenc: :)
[21:57:08 CEST] <rsgm2> I think the audio my computer records is corrupted, ffmpeg keeps giving me this error: Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in stream 1: 44100 >= 44100
[21:57:13 CEST] <rsgm2> is there any way to fix it?
[21:57:34 CEST] <rsgm2> *fix that video that is I don't care about my computer's recording
[22:37:41 CEST] <Ralph> Hello, I was wondering if I can get access to the 0.6.0 source of ffmpeg containing the CVE-2010-3429 vulnerability?
[22:38:13 CEST] <c_14> Just clone the git source and backtrack to the relevant commit?
[22:38:22 CEST] <Ralph> Ok, thanks.
[22:45:22 CEST] <DrTaco> Hey, does anyone have a link to the end-result/compiled/final native executable for ffmpeg for OSX, Ubuntu, and Windows (32/64 if that matters)
[22:46:26 CEST] <c_14> https://ffmpeg.org/download.html
[22:46:39 CEST] <c_14> The binaries are all 3rd-party though.
[22:47:01 CEST] <DrTaco> yeah, that page could use some love
[22:47:15 CEST] <c_14> What specifically?
[22:47:17 CEST] <c_14> Suggestions welcome.
[22:48:09 CEST] <DrTaco> It's just not very convenient/organized. Everything is linked to different sites that aren't as easy to navigate. It isn't very definitive, as "THIS" is the version you download
[22:48:24 CEST] <DrTaco> it's more like, welllllll, you could do this OR this, and there's also this which is done this way
[22:48:31 CEST] <c_14> That's because they're all 3rd-party.
[22:48:34 CEST] <c_14> And for different OS
[22:48:43 CEST] <DrTaco> and I don't know what the differences are or why I'd want one over the other or even if it'll work
[22:49:25 CEST] <c_14> If they don't work, they should be removed from the list.
[22:49:37 CEST] <c_14> i.e. they should all work for their platform
[22:52:49 CEST] <DrTaco> I actually can't find the download link on the ubuntu one. They sure do like walls of text
[22:53:36 CEST] <c_14> It's the "So typically" part
[22:53:50 CEST] <norbert> hi, I'm trying to record one hour of game footage and I want to make sure it's 60fps and the audio is in sync; I also want mumble audio to be included of both myself and the other party
[22:54:16 CEST] <norbert> I was close to this but the recording has audio out of sync and does not have my mic audio
[22:54:34 CEST] <c_14> Windows? Linux? Pulse? Alsa? OSX?
[22:54:46 CEST] <norbert> has the video kinda okay (black lines now and then from top to bottom) and audio of the game and of the other party is okay (but everything out of sync)
[22:54:49 CEST] <klaxa> first common pitfall would be that you used -r 60 instead of -framerate 60
[22:54:49 CEST] <norbert> Linux, with pulse
[22:54:59 CEST] <norbert> I did use -r 60
[22:55:20 CEST] <c_14> You'll have to work out the mic stuff with pulse though
[22:55:25 CEST] <c_14> probably
[22:55:30 CEST] <norbert> first I did: pactl list sources|grep "Name:"|grep alsa_output
[22:55:40 CEST] <norbert> then I recorded with: avconv -f pulse -i alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor -f x11grab -r 60 -s 1920x1080 -i :0.0+0,0 -vcodec libx264 -pre:0 lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 -threads 6 video.mkv
[22:55:58 CEST] <c_14> You're using avconv not ffmpeg, either use ffmpeg from FFmpeg or ask in #libav
[22:56:13 CEST] <klaxa> i would recommend recording just two audio-streams (one for your mic and one for the other people) maybe even a third one for the game-audio and then mixing everything in post-production
[22:56:18 CEST] <norbert> I thought they are the same
[22:56:22 CEST] <c_14> They aren't
[22:57:01 CEST] <norbert> klaxa: ok, how would I record the audio streams separately (with ffmpeg)?
[22:57:42 CEST] <klaxa> for example: ffmpeg -f pulse -i default -f pulse -i default -map 0 -map 1 -c:a flac "$(date)".mkv
[22:57:49 CEST] <klaxa> that doesn't select the correct audio-sources though
[22:57:52 CEST] <DrTaco> Can someone link me to the Ubuntu 32-bit and 64-bit executables?
[22:58:15 CEST] <c_14> Just use the static build
[22:58:17 CEST] <c_14> http://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/
[22:58:24 CEST] <klaxa> you will have to use pavucontrol (or equivalent command line tools, do they exist?) to set the correct devices in the recording tab
[22:58:29 CEST] <norbert> klaxa: any suggestions how I could select the correct audio-sources?
[22:58:51 CEST] <norbert> ok, pavucontrol, recording tab
[22:58:52 CEST] <DrTaco> If that's what you're supposed to use, why isn't it linked on the site?
[22:58:59 CEST] <c_14> It is
[22:59:07 CEST] <c_14> Under linux static builds
[22:59:10 CEST] <klaxa> i bet there is a way to do it directly but i never bothered looking it up
[22:59:27 CEST] <c_14> It's also not what you're "supposed" to use. It's just what I always recommend because it's easy and works basically everywhere.
[22:59:27 CEST] <DrTaco> very confusing
[22:59:43 CEST] <DrTaco> oh cool
[22:59:57 CEST] <klaxa> what ARE you supposed to do then? compile from source? ;)
[22:59:59 CEST] <DrTaco> lol, the linux manifest "hide the easy way"
[23:00:43 CEST] <c_14> klaxa: What you're supposed to do is NIH your own video framework. Obviously.
[23:00:48 CEST] <c_14> s/video/video and audio/
[23:00:59 CEST] <c_14> +subtitles and all that fun too
[23:02:16 CEST] <DrTaco> it would be super convenient if each release on github included all the basic compiled versions https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFmpeg/releases
[23:02:24 CEST] <DrTaco> all in one spot
[23:02:42 CEST] <DrTaco> and if you want more details then go to the 3rd-party sites
[23:03:57 CEST] <c_14> The github repo is just a clone (and I don't think anyone wants to have to manage stuff there)
[23:04:37 CEST] <DrTaco> oh, I thought it was the main spot
[23:04:53 CEST] <c_14> And putting the binary builds there would imply that we support them (which most people don't want to)
[23:05:01 CEST] <c_14> ie making sure the binary releases are up to date and what-not
[23:05:05 CEST] <norbert> klaxa: so if I understand it correctly, I need to start several ffmpeg sessions, one to record the video, and several others with the ffmpeg command you gave me to record audio - although I should replace something in that command line text with what I can find (and open) with pavucontrol?
[23:05:41 CEST] <DrTaco> I wouldn't think that would be that hard, have an automated build system. I mean, you guys need to test it anyways right?
[23:06:04 CEST] <DrTaco> I guess running for each OS would take longer, and you guys support a lot of OS's
[23:07:27 CEST] <c_14> A lot of OSes and a lot of build configurations, and managing the build-dependencies etc etc
[23:08:38 CEST] <c_14> And the tests are run through fate on (mostly) donated hardware/cpu time.
[23:09:16 CEST] <DrTaco> How do I just get 2.8 for windows 32/64. All I can find is snapshot ones I think
[23:09:29 CEST] <DrTaco> see what I mean by confusing :)
[23:09:48 CEST] <norbert> why can't I just press 1 button of a gui app and then it records everything I see and hear
[23:10:02 CEST] <BtbN> You download a 2.8 tarball or check it out from git, and build it yourself.
[23:10:03 CEST] <norbert> it's not rocket science, everyone knows this is what OS X would do
[23:10:08 CEST] <norbert> or anything in Windows
[23:10:20 CEST] <norbert> but no, gotta do strange command line things and open pavucontrol etc. etc. etc.
[23:10:24 CEST] <c_14> DrTaco: I don't think zeranoe builds releases. git HEAD is recommended anyway
[23:10:26 CEST] <norbert> it's still BS after all these years
[23:11:14 CEST] <c_14> norbert: there's probably a program that does that somewhere, it's just not ffmpeg (though it might use the libraries)
[23:11:36 CEST] <DrTaco> because people who use linux don't "trust" closed source software, and companies don't "trust" linux users to not pirate their paid for shit (because to use linux means you have to have at the minimum enough computer knowledge to know how to pirate shit)
[23:12:12 CEST] <c_14> norbert: you might want to try something like OBS
[23:12:30 CEST] <c_14> Never used it, but it might do what you want.
[23:12:31 CEST] <DrTaco> also market share and fragmentation of linux OS landscape
[23:12:47 CEST] <TD-Linux> you might also want to try SimpleScreenRecorder
[23:12:56 CEST] <DelphiWorld> i love obs
[23:13:31 CEST] <norbert> I wonder why obs is not in the apt repos
[23:13:47 CEST] <norbert> probably because no Linux user ever wants to record something
[23:13:51 CEST] <norbert> oh no wait, some people do
[23:14:17 CEST] <DrTaco> ah! that's how you do a download page, https://obsproject.com/download
[23:14:26 CEST] <DrTaco> I like it! +1
[23:14:30 CEST] <DrTaco> :)
[23:14:32 CEST] <norbert> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:obsproject/obs-studio
[23:14:34 CEST] <norbert> apaprently
[23:14:40 CEST] <norbert> *apparently
[23:15:00 CEST] <c_14> DrTaco: I don't really see the difference
[23:15:08 CEST] <DrTaco> ....seriously
[23:15:56 CEST] <DrTaco> I hover over the OS, then click a button. I'm done
[23:16:00 CEST] <c_14> They both have the thing to choose Windows/OSX/Linux and then a couple of links
[23:16:13 CEST] <DelphiWorld> DrTaco: c_14 is doing his pocible to help people, so your contrib is wanted
[23:16:29 CEST] <c_14> DrTaco: only for the official builds, the unofficial builds also redirect you
[23:17:03 CEST] <DrTaco> no, the ffmpeg site has a giant page with tons of links and most stuff takes you to impossible to comprehend 3rd party sites that don't have what you want
[23:17:09 CEST] <DrTaco> it's really frustrating
[23:17:15 CEST] <DrTaco> one click
[23:18:11 CEST] <c_14> They both have 4 links for builds for different OSes, and one for building from source
[23:18:26 CEST] <DrTaco> I just want 2.8 for Ubuntu (32&64), OSX (32&64), and Windows (32/64). And not only do I not have that, I'm in a freaking IRC chat room trying to get them.... do you see my point?
[23:18:50 CEST] <DelphiWorld> c_14, kick no?
[23:18:57 CEST] <DrTaco> I'm not trying to be mean
[23:18:59 CEST] <DelphiWorld> DrTaco: freaking?
[23:19:07 CEST] <DelphiWorld> i get all my help from here
[23:19:13 CEST] <DrTaco> I'm trying to point out that this is something that can be improved
[23:19:26 CEST] <DelphiWorld> DrTaco: ticket & contrib welcome
[23:19:48 CEST] <DrTaco> Yeah, but should you expect a user to have to come to an IRC room just to download the thing you made?
[23:20:01 CEST] <podman> so, I've got an actual question. what's a good way to pick a frame rate when converting a VFR video to a CFR video?
[23:20:06 CEST] <DrTaco> there's clearly a disconnect in usability on the site, right?
[23:20:33 CEST] <DelphiWorld> DrTaco: again, contrib welcome
[23:20:37 CEST] <podman> for instance, i have a vfr video that someone uploaded that's a screen recording and has a min frame rate of something silly like 0.002 fps and a max of 24 fps
[23:20:44 CEST] <DelphiWorld> c_14 is very very very usefull, i could recognise it. so stop nagging
[23:20:58 CEST] <c_14> podman: check the average and use that probably
[23:21:31 CEST] <DrTaco> So, a user comes and points out that your site isn't usable, and your response is "You fix it, and stop complaining"
[23:21:36 CEST] <DrTaco> I'm out, self ban
[23:21:36 CEST] <podman> c_14: make sense. I think the average is something silly like 0.9 fps though
[23:21:58 CEST] <DelphiWorld> stupidity...
[23:22:14 CEST] <c_14> podman: If most of the video is low-fps then it's probably what you want.
[23:22:49 CEST] <podman> c_14: yeah, probably. i think ffmpeg is defaulting to something incredibly high for some reason
[23:22:53 CEST] <podman> like 9,000fps
[23:23:12 CEST] <DrTaco> I'm back, Just wanted to say thanks. I still don't have the downloads I came for. Thanks for the great site and community, ya bunch of asshats
[23:23:47 CEST] <podman> Is he looking for a .dmg or .exe or something? Confused.
[23:24:20 CEST] <c_14> He can't seem to find the download links, I guess?
[23:24:39 CEST] <podman> to be fair, there are quite a lot of them
[23:24:44 CEST] <manfromafar> ? whats wrong with the downlaods page
[23:24:49 CEST] <manfromafar> http://ffmpeg.org/download.html
[23:25:22 CEST] Action: c_14 doesn't know. Couldn't get a decent grasp of what exactly he wanted to change.
[23:26:14 CEST] <podman> for instance, lets say you just wanted to download a dmg for OS X, you'd click on the apple logo, it moves you down the page where you are presented with two options, 64bit and 32 bit. you click on either of those and it takes you to a page with a whole bunch of builds based on a snapshot
[23:26:41 CEST] <klaxa> norbert: you can run one ffmpeg instance to record everything
[23:26:43 CEST] <podman> and they're .7z which i don't think is natively supported by OS X?
[23:26:57 CEST] <klaxa> also if you don't like how it works you are free to improve it by developing "better" tools
[23:27:56 CEST] <podman> c_14: manfromafar: i could see it being improved by having a direct link to the static binary of the latest release (2.8 for instance) on the downloads page
[23:28:29 CEST] <DelphiWorld> good night ffmpegsters
[23:28:47 CEST] <podman> but that kind of depends on what the normal use case is. if most people want to download a snapshot or browse available snapshots instead of downloading the latest... maybe it's fine the way it is
[23:29:02 CEST] <DelphiWorld> and re thanking again c_14 and his friends for his nicest help
[23:29:16 CEST] <c_14> podman: I can understand that the external sites might be strange, but we can't change them. We just link to them. We can't really direct-link because the links might change (and then somebody would have to update them), also some people might then believe that we manage them and put issues on trac that the build is out of date etc (which we can't do anything about since we don't control the build)
[23:29:18 CEST] <podman> i think it could use improvement, but it's certainly not something you'd need to come to IRC to ask how to download
[23:29:57 CEST] <c_14> The main problem is that FFmpeg doesn't distribute builds of the tools.
[23:30:17 CEST] <podman> c_14: right, I'm just looking at it from a different perspective
[23:32:39 CEST] <podman> c_14: you could have a redirect though. maybe http://ffmpeg.org/releases/binaries/osx64/ffmpeg-2.8.7.7z and have that redirect to http://evermeet.cx/ffmpeg/ffmpeg-2.8.7z or a preferred mirror or something?
[23:33:07 CEST] <podman> or just directly link to the mirror on http://ffmpeg.org/download.html ?
[23:33:29 CEST] <podman> I think for someone who doesn't really know what they're doing it might be an overwhelming number of choices and steps just to get the latest binary
[23:33:40 CEST] <c_14> They are linked though? Or do you mean directly link to the file?
[23:34:15 CEST] <podman> c_14: directly to the file and make it the first option on the download page
[23:35:11 CEST] <c_14> The problem with that is that someone then needs to update that link every time the build-maintainer updates their build, and that people might create issues on the issue tracker if it's out of date etc
[23:35:40 CEST] <podman> so maybe on download.html you have a direct link to the current version and then another link to download snapshots or older versions
[23:35:52 CEST] <podman> so it's a one click deal from the download.html page
[23:36:01 CEST] <podman> right, that is a potential problem
[23:36:16 CEST] <c_14> And as soon as the link on the other site is updated, the download link 404s
[23:36:48 CEST] <c_14> Also, I don't think it's that big of a problem (I don't see many people here asking for how to download ffmpeg)
[23:36:52 CEST] <podman> it might be more of a problem with the mirrors
[23:37:43 CEST] <podman> http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/ and http://evermeet.cx/ffmpeg/ aren't particularly well thought out for noobs
[23:39:03 CEST] <podman> anyway, most people trying to use ffmpeg can probably figure it out
[23:39:16 CEST] <podman> if you can't figure out how to download it, maybe you shouldn't be using it :)
[23:39:48 CEST] <c_14> That might also be it. (Most people who can't figure out how to download probably use some sort of GUI wrapper anyways).
[23:40:05 CEST] <podman> c_14: maybe a section that lists good GUI wrappers?
[23:41:46 CEST] Action: c_14 knows of none (since he doesn't use them)
[23:42:09 CEST] <podman> terminal is the best gui wrapper
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