[Ffmpeg-devel-irc] ffmpeg-devel.log.20171217

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[00:00:16 CET] <JEEB> I'm pretty sure we already have the colorspace/transfer etc in cli
[00:00:48 CET] <JEEB> colorspace integer (decoding/encoding,video)
[00:00:57 CET] <JEEB> color_primaries integer (decoding/encoding,video)
[00:01:01 CET] <JEEB> color_trc integer (decoding/encoding,video)
[00:01:25 CET] <JEEB> see https://www.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-all.html for list of text-based values to set those to
[00:56:17 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: what are you replacing the linked list with anyway?
[00:56:30 CET] <BtbN> isn't it pretty much unused, so it can just go?
[00:58:32 CET] <wm4> I think the plan is to do the same thing as BSFs
[01:00:18 CET] <Chloe> Ah so just an array of pointers in a descriptive struct
[01:01:12 CET] <Chloe> This would allow compile time initialisation of parsers, filters etc right?
[01:03:51 CET] <Chloe> dw being silly
[01:15:51 CET] <wm4> yes
[01:16:38 CET] <JEEB> makes sense
[02:10:51 CET] <cone-411> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:439fbb9c8b2a: avcodec/hevcdsp_template: Fix undefined shift in put_hevc_qpel_bi_w_hv()
[02:10:51 CET] <cone-411> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:991ef6e5b9a6: avcodec/hevc_sei: Fix integer overflows in decode_nal_sei_message()
[02:10:51 CET] <cone-411> ffmpeg 03Michael Niedermayer 07master:0ee143558d55: avcodec/hevc_cabac: Fix integer overflow in ff_hevc_cu_qp_delta_abs()
[02:16:10 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: do you want to remove the linked lists, I could do it if you want? Ties into what I was doing anyway
[04:32:06 CET] <SortaCore> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/CompilationGuide/MinGW#YASM what about NASM?
[07:34:29 CET] <cone-382> ffmpeg 03sfan5 07master:387ee1d6aa65: libavformat: LibreSSL (libtls) support
[10:35:39 CET] <bob12421> Hello
[10:36:02 CET] <bob12421> How difficult is it to replace the data type of -rtbufsize with a 64-bit integer?
[10:37:37 CET] <bob12421> My real-time buffer constantly overflows
[10:43:10 CET] <bob1241> I'm trying to capture 4K video but nothing works.
[10:47:11 CET] <transitive-bulls> hello! i've created a new libavfilter for applying glsl transitions between two video streams (https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/ffmpeg-gl-transition)
[10:49:18 CET] <transitive-bulls> i wanted to make a similar glconcat filter which would take in N streams and a transition duration and output a concatenated version of those N streams, but the two pieces i'm not sure on are 1) given an input AVFilterPad, is there any way to know its duration up front at initialization time or is it just a stream with no knowledge of its length?
[10:50:47 CET] <transitive-bulls> and 2) aside from constructing a filtergraph w/ a wrapper similar to https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/ffmpeg-gl-transition/blob/master/concat.sh, is there a way i could buffer the input frames for different inputs so the filter works more on a pull basis versus the default push?
[10:53:06 CET] <JEEB> transitive-bulls: btw did you take a look at the newly madeopencl filters if those are of any interest to you with opengl interop
[10:54:01 CET] <transitive-bulls> i've read the docs but haven't looked at the filters themselves
[10:55:19 CET] <JEEB> and no, filters generally cannot have any idea of the length of the stream
[10:55:46 CET] <JEEB> all filters generally should work with just AVFrames given to them. if they internally require buffering they can implement that
[10:55:57 CET] <JEEB> (there were some already existing filters which do that)
[10:56:16 CET] <transitive-bulls> ok, that makes sense but i just wanted to be sure i wasn't missing anything
[10:56:17 CET] <transitive-bulls> thanks!
[10:56:33 CET] <transitive-bulls> do you know offhand of a filter which implements buffering internally?
[10:58:00 CET] <JEEB> yadif has three pointers at least (prev, cur, next)
[10:59:04 CET] <transitive-bulls> ok, cool && thanks!
[11:01:35 CET] <transitive-bulls> one related question would be can you have a filter which outputs a filter chain s.t. complex filter chain patterns could be simplified, or would this use case fall more into the domain of a scripting language wrapper?
[11:01:59 CET] <transitive-bulls> (referring to something like https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/ffmpeg-gl-transition/blob/master/concat.sh)
[11:02:29 CET] <transitive-bulls> which is really verbose to achieve something that would ideally be a lot more straightforward
[11:13:26 CET] <durandal_1707> michaelni: its not that simple
[11:15:26 CET] <durandal_1707> michaelni: because its marked as experimental and stayed that way because whole api is shit
[11:18:27 CET] <michaelni> durandal_1707, the api is shit but i suspect that isnt the problem. We could instead of using experimental use a seperate profile for the additional color_range / pix format. A seperate profile is commonly used in specifications for specific resolutions or pixel formats
[11:27:23 CET] <durandal_1707> michaelni: i dont see why would using profile be better, i will just remove requrement for unofficial flag
[11:30:37 CET] <durandal_1707> i see people tend to overengineer things, stuff should be kept simple
[13:54:56 CET] <wm4> at this rate we'll never get rid of the fucking J formats
[13:55:03 CET] <wm4> what the fuck
[14:01:22 CET] <durandal_1707> wm4: what happened?
[14:01:44 CET] <atomnuker> Chloe: I think I can handle it, if you're looking for something important to work on you can remove DCE usages
[14:02:12 CET] <atomnuker> we agreed to drop if (CONFIG_XXXX) function() with #if CONFIG_XXXX function() #endif
[14:02:31 CET] <atomnuker> but the person who volunteered to do the work a year ago never did finish it
[14:03:38 CET] <wm4> durandal_1707: nicolas george being an asshole about it
[14:03:45 CET] <wm4> (ffplay patch)
[14:04:44 CET] <BtbN> It's been a while since I have seen anything useful come from him. Only blocking and hostile stuff.
[14:07:32 CET] <durandal_1707> atomnuker: thats sed script work
[14:09:36 CET] <atomnuker> someone still needs to write the sed script
[14:11:26 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: i wanted to look at converting more inline asm to in-file asm, if not working towards removing ffserver 
[14:11:43 CET] <Chloe> Also rewriting libavdevice
[14:13:40 CET] <durandal_1707> if one needs negotiate color range, color space primaries and trc all together how should it all be done?
[14:14:25 CET] <durandal_1707> certainly ffplay actually use only rgb for output
[14:14:48 CET] <Chloe> Ffplay can use whatever output SDL supports 
[14:14:51 CET] <wm4> is there much inline asm left?
[14:15:10 CET] <wm4> wasn't there some talk about how some inline asm can't be converted to external without losing performance
[14:16:48 CET] <durandal_1707> Chloe: do you know what sdl does internally with all yuv formats?
[14:17:20 CET] <Chloe> Probably just converts it back to rgb 
[14:17:37 CET] <durandal_1707> Chloe: there is noise filter inline asm
[14:18:15 CET] <Chloe> There's really no point in outputting anything else other than rgb
[14:18:56 CET] <durandal_1707> it just matters whats faster
[14:21:09 CET] <iive> wm4: I think that cabac bitstream is example for such inline asm
[14:23:32 CET] <Chloe> durandal_1707: https://github.com/davidsiaw/SDL2/blob/master/src/render/SDL_render.c#L721
[14:26:44 CET] <atomnuker> yep, the cabac decoder either needs the entire decoder to be written in asm or for inline asm, the overhead would definitely slow it down
[14:58:00 CET] <rcombs> atomnuker: durandal_1707: the DCE usage in allcodecs/allformats/etc is a bit more complex, since they rely on `if ([token-pasted identifier])` working, which you can't do purely in preprocessor
[14:58:17 CET] <rcombs> so you'd have to either expand all the macros, or add an additional preprocessing step
[16:48:13 CET] <cone-372> ffmpeg 03Paul B Mahol 07master:ce626f26959a: avfilter/av_biquads: add support for commands
[16:48:14 CET] <cone-372> ffmpeg 03Paul B Mahol 07master:600c8729e23b: avfilter/af_biquads: remove unused enum item
[16:57:17 CET] <kurosu> that inline cabac asm is also probably the most significant difference between a msvc and a gcc build
[16:58:41 CET] <wm4> I don't assume writing all code involved with it in asm would be reasonable?
[17:00:35 CET] <nevcairiel> no, because the cabac calls are inlined into the actual h264 reading stuff
[17:02:57 CET] <wm4> not even something like having the cabac code write all data into struct fields, and using that in the C code?
[17:03:41 CET] <nevcairiel> you still get the overhead from function calls
[17:04:21 CET] <durandal_1707> thats minor
[17:04:45 CET] <nevcairiel> not if you call  the function a lot of times, like when reading every symbol in the bitstream
[17:17:23 CET] <jamrial_> there's a lot of swscale inline asm still, which probably also makes a difference in some cases
[17:17:55 CET] <wm4> and libswscale self modifiying code!
[17:18:03 CET] <wm4> for unused scalers
[17:19:06 CET] <durandal_1707> libswscale rewrite when?
[17:29:01 CET] <kierank> even more postproc asm
[17:33:19 CET] <durandal_1707> all postproc code can be put into single filter
[17:51:38 CET] <jamrial_> that'd be a good project. move all postproc code to the only filter that uses it, and delete the library
[18:06:32 CET] <cone-372> ffmpeg 03Carl Eugen Hoyos 07master:9b79c65ec06f: lavu/lavc/lavf/lavfi: Do not use type modifier %zu on Windows MSVCRT.
[18:07:02 CET] <rcombs> aww, they fixed %zu though
[18:07:30 CET] <kurosu> the cabac asm is pretty tight, and for most hxxx(tm) codecs, that's the bottleneck in s/w decoding
[18:07:50 CET] <kurosu> I remember some rewriting 5+ years ago that had a noticeable impact
[18:10:57 CET] <kurosu> I started with writing msvc inline asm, so I could port that asm
[18:11:32 CET] <kurosu> but nowadays I don't see a point to optimize some of those decoders
[18:25:56 CET] <iive> kurosu: if you care about msvc compilation then there is point in optimizing cabac for h264/5
[19:25:12 CET] <cone-372> ffmpeg 03Paul B Mahol 07master:9dcecbf04c65: avfilter/af_biquads: add missing break statements
[19:53:13 CET] <durandal_1707> atomnuker: i will use commands to enter single tone
[20:47:32 CET] <atomnuker> rcombs: good thing I'm removing it and letting print_enabled_components handle it
[20:53:47 CET] <durandal_1707> atomnuker: finnaly finished? 
[20:56:10 CET] <atomnuker> NO AND IF YOU DON'T STOP ASKING ME I'M NEVER GOING TO FINISH IT
[21:12:17 CET] <durandal_1707> coding speed and efficiency is important,  dont get distracted
[21:43:31 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: what have you done on dev ml?
[21:45:11 CET] <jamrial_> same, what's the context of that email?
[21:49:20 CET] <Compn> some fighting going on in some threads
[21:49:56 CET] <Compn> non technical discussion and insults... 
[21:53:21 CET] <Compn> see this and its replies http://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2017-December/222483.html
[21:54:05 CET] <Compn> yes i realize it only deals with wm4, nicolas, durandal_1707 and carl.... i can just mod them only if you prefer...
[21:55:23 CET] <wm4> not sure if Compn is the right person for this
[21:55:31 CET] <wm4> he's pretty ignorant of the underlying technical issues
[21:56:02 CET] <Compn> i can tell an insult from a patch review, which is more than you can do, wm4.
[21:56:03 CET] <wm4> anyway, go ahead with banning nicolas george and cehoyos, I don't mind
[21:56:42 CET] <wm4> I'm usually on the receiving end of this...
[21:57:27 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: soo everything is moderated now and does not appear immediatelly?
[21:57:33 CET] <Compn> i was hoping that a blanket mod would not have to point out the bad behavior of the 4 people , and that i would not have to name them, and that they would realize they were behaving bad. oh well
[21:57:49 CET] <Compn> correct
[21:58:27 CET] <durandal_1707> what happens when you sleep? everything is stalled?
[21:58:28 CET] <wm4> Compn: for example, nicolas called me a troll several times, has ignored my patch reviews and requests during them, and recently has stated that he ignores all my emails
[21:58:41 CET] <wm4> Compn: sounds pretty bad if you ask me
[21:58:46 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : correct, unless lou is online , he is a few hours away from me timezone ways
[21:59:05 CET] <kierank> FFmpeg mailing abuse
[21:59:07 CET] <Compn> wm4 : yes, i know you and them have been fighting a bit
[21:59:07 CET] <kierank> MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL
[21:59:19 CET] <Compn> wm4 : i've asked you all to stop, multiple times
[21:59:23 CET] <Compn> and now we have to do this heh
[21:59:47 CET] <durandal_1707> what about net neutrality?
[22:00:00 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : did you vote for the CoC ?
[22:00:10 CET] <Compn> i think i was one of the few who voted against it...
[22:00:24 CET] <wm4> well enjoy your drama... I'll continue to hope for a reasonable project leader
[22:02:09 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: but ml admins are not above voting committe,  so ask for votes before doing such decission
[22:02:33 CET] <Compn> wm4 : i am curious, how many projects have you been able to work on as a team?
[22:03:21 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : stop insulting other developers.
[22:05:41 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: did i insulted you? about others, my intention was never to insult, but i can not tolerate bad behaviour against me
[22:06:50 CET] <Compn> did you call another developer a "highness" ? that is an insult to his highness ehe
[22:07:14 CET] <wm4> Compn: I usually have no problems with working in a team
[22:07:15 CET] <Compn> and if your intention was never to insult, then you could apologize for he has been ... insulted! gasp
[22:07:51 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : but i think you are arguing in bad faith and bullshitting me. 
[22:08:41 CET] <jamrial> Compn: unilaterally putting the ml in lockdown mode is the worst thing you can do. this kind of thing requires consensus
[22:08:43 CET] <durandal_1707> but he just told me that i need to wait indefinetely for his review, and for 5 max min patch review
[22:09:36 CET] <Compn> jamrial : i asked in april and got nothing... http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2017-April/210519.html
[22:09:41 CET] <durandal_1707> and i waited enough and than he gave up on all thing
[22:09:44 CET] <Compn> jamrial : although atomnuker was kind enough to respond :)
[22:10:12 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : so you insulted him
[22:11:11 CET] <Compn> jamrial : convince durandal_1707 to not insult people ?
[22:11:16 CET] <wm4> it's possible that Compn is not a good community manager at all
[22:11:21 CET] <Compn> also wm4, carl and nicolas...
[22:11:22 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: i did not applied patch at all yet
[22:13:17 CET] <Compn> j-b : how are my community management skills ? :)
[22:13:52 CET] <j-b> Compn: dunno :)
[22:15:22 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: now devs will be even more frustrated and development stalled, or people will push patches without review
[22:19:33 CET] <Chloe> can I just remove the linked lists? it's blocking my patch
[22:19:40 CET] <relaxed> mplayer expatriates..
[22:19:46 CET] <Chloe> I really don't want to wait weeks for it
[22:20:49 CET] <Compn> jamrial : but i know you've tried to get them to stop fighting, so my comment was not fair to you
[22:21:25 CET] <wm4> Chloe: wasn't atomnuker doing that
[22:21:43 CET] <wm4> Chloe: probably best to at least try to avoid doing the same thing (unless you don't care, then we can pick the better patch)
[22:21:58 CET] <Chloe> wm4: supposedly, but it doesn't seem like it's happening any time soon
[22:22:20 CET] <wm4> I'd assume he has an almost finished WIP locally, or something
[22:23:00 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : its not a permanent emergency moderation
[22:23:06 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: are you able to submit your patch before the end of monday?
[22:25:43 CET] <Chloe> Compn: I think bitcoin is a good example of another big project which excels at working together.
[22:26:05 CET] <durandal_1707> how?
[22:26:55 CET] <Compn> rip satoshi 
[22:27:26 CET] <kierank> well everyone gets rich
[22:29:03 CET] <atomnuker> Compn: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
[22:29:28 CET] <durandal_1707> please calm down
[22:29:34 CET] <atomnuker> you understand dog shit and your first reaction is "ooh Imma shut down the ml"
[22:30:18 CET] <atomnuker> restore normal service now, I'm serious
[22:30:25 CET] <wm4> lol
[22:30:26 CET] <durandal_1707> lets fork libsav?
[22:30:55 CET] <atomnuker> yes, let's unless Compn realizes he's stopping development AND stopping solving the problem at hand
[22:32:15 CET] <atomnuker> we don't have to fork anything, just put new servers up BECAUSE ONLY Compn IS CAUSING AN ISSUE ATM
[22:32:58 CET] <durandal_1707> rogue admin in ffmpeg team? cant be true!
[22:32:59 CET] <atomnuker> Chloe: sure, I'll post a patch right this OH WAIT, I CAN'T
[22:33:19 CET] <wm4> yeah I agree what Compn did is silly at best
[22:33:27 CET] <wm4> it doesn't solve anything at all
[22:34:22 CET] <atomnuker> lets move to github PRs, since Compn has no power to screw up there
[22:34:30 CET] <Chloe> kierank: haha, that's true. 
[22:36:21 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: I'm a bit confused. You say you'll do it, but you don't give a timeframe at all. All I'm asking is if you're able to do it, if you're not then I'm happy to do it.
[22:38:27 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : Chloe is wondering if you have a wip, Chloe can finish it if so 
[22:39:01 CET] <Chloe> yes
[22:40:02 CET] <atomnuker> Chloe: https://0x0.st/sX3A.diff
[22:40:05 CET] <wm4> anyway, ++ to Compn for escalating the drama and affecting everyone
[22:40:08 CET] <wm4> good shopw
[22:40:12 CET] <wm4> -p
[22:40:14 CET] <atomnuker> original name for the diff was Compn_IS_AN_ASSHOLE
[22:40:23 CET] <Chloe> Compn: what is happening to the mailing list?
[22:40:28 CET] <Chloe> atomnuker: thanks <3
[22:40:36 CET] <Compn> Chloe : people are upset that they cannot insult each other on the ml now
[22:40:48 CET] <Chloe> Compn: how will I submit my patch tomorrow?
[22:40:51 CET] <Compn> even though they all voted for the CoC :)
[22:40:54 CET] <Compn> Chloe : same way
[22:41:15 CET] <Chloe> If the mailing list is down, that will make submitting the patch a bit difficult
[22:41:18 CET] <atomnuker> Compn: I CERTAINLY DID NOT VOTE FOT THE COC
[22:41:20 CET] <Chloe> Compn: no?
[22:41:35 CET] <atomnuker> Compn: I've messaged llogan to remove you from the admin list
[22:41:41 CET] <atomnuker> actually fuck this
[22:41:47 CET] <Compn> Chloe : it just means everyones mails get locked at before getting posted now
[22:42:02 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : you know i'm irc founder for this channel too right ? :)
[22:42:21 CET] <Chloe> Compn: wont this drastically increase the time it takes for already slow reviews?
[22:42:23 CET] <atomnuker> I can keep trying
[22:42:24 CET] <Compn> you failed to stop me, now i control everything! 
[22:42:32 CET] <Compn> Chloe : no, it wont
[22:42:32 CET] <jamrial> atomnuker: stop
[22:43:48 CET] <Compn> Chloe : its not permanent change, i can undo it in 1 second
[22:43:56 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : you know i've been approving mails this whole time right ?
[22:44:19 CET] <wm4> unsubscribed senders or all?
[22:44:26 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: better solution is to ban bad and ugly and leave good and not this
[22:46:11 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : heres a mail i sent michael before creating that thread in april:
[22:46:22 CET] <Chloe> Compn: I think it'd be better to undo it in 1 second
[22:46:28 CET] <Compn> i've asked on the list what the project wants to do about violations. good idea. "[rfc] coc violation tribunal" is the thread title.
[22:46:28 CET] <Compn> otherwise i would not want to make decision without project consensus, maybe it would look like abuse of ml admin power. if you understand my
[22:46:28 CET] <Compn> opinion.
[22:47:52 CET] <Chloe> Compn: our CoC is just guidelines https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct
[22:48:28 CET] <Chloe> You can't 'violate it' as such
[22:48:52 CET] <atomnuker> Compn: you ARE abusing your admin powers
[22:49:11 CET] <atomnuker> to such an extent the first thing that should be done is for you to be stripped of them
[22:49:19 CET] <durandal_1707> lets wait michaelni and llogan
[22:49:29 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : you'll have to start a vote! mwahahaha
[22:49:45 CET] <Chloe> Compn: the vote wont go through if you just block it before it gets to the ML
[22:50:11 CET] <Compn> Chloe : i'm approving all technical discussions, you sound confused on what i am doing. did you read my mail ?
[22:50:46 CET] <atomnuker> and who decides whethet its an important technical discussion? oh, just our saviour Compn 
[22:50:48 CET] <durandal_1707> votes are technical discussion?
[22:51:01 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : anything non-insult = approved
[22:51:24 CET] <Compn> voting against me = non-insult , i dont mind, i dont want this job :)
[22:51:37 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : yes
[22:51:45 CET] <atomnuker> Compn: if you don't want this job then PLEASE FUCK OFF AND LET US DO OURS
[22:52:02 CET] <Chloe> Compn: I was more pointing out that you are the sole 'approve-rer'
[22:52:11 CET] <jamrial> Compn: please revert this. this decision is not yours alone to make
[22:52:13 CET] <Compn> Chloe : there are a couple ml mods actually
[22:52:16 CET] <Chloe> it's like saying a jury is fair when there's only one person in it, because there's consensus
[22:52:20 CET] <jamrial> you're only giving more than enough reasons for the entire project to act against you
[22:52:20 CET] <Chloe> Compn: who?
[22:52:36 CET] <wm4> so much popcorn is unhealthy
[22:52:42 CET] <durandal_1707> yea
[22:53:10 CET] <Compn> jamrial : are you interested in drafting rules about coc violations ?
[22:53:42 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : i am not stopping anyone from anything. except insults on the mailing list, for a temporary time
[22:54:03 CET] <Compn> atomnuker : all patches and reviews are being approved in a timely manner :)
[22:54:39 CET] <jamrial> no, i'm interested in not seeing a single developer abusing privileges to do something they think is "for the best"
[22:55:18 CET] <Compn> as ml admin, it is my privledge to enforce the coc
[22:55:36 CET] <Compn> i cant spell either
[22:58:25 CET] <Chloe> Compn: have you approved my mail yet
[22:58:57 CET] <Compn> approved now
[22:59:12 CET] <Compn> i was watching youtube :)
[22:59:43 CET] <kierank> it's as if the CoC is a useless document
[22:59:49 CET] <kierank> that should have been written better
[23:00:16 CET] <Chloe> kierank: it isn't really a CoC in the traditional sense
[23:00:18 CET] <wm4> who wrote it anyway?
[23:00:19 CET] <Compn> kierank : did you vote for the CoC ?
[23:00:22 CET] <kierank> wm4: one guess
[23:00:23 CET] <Chloe> wm4: ...
[23:00:29 CET] <Compn> kierank : are you interested in drafting a new CoC and or rules ?
[23:00:32 CET] <wm4> Compn? mini?
[23:00:50 CET] <Compn> it reads like a native english speaker wrote it
[23:01:07 CET] <Compn> i did not, i was and am against the CoC idea, i believe in free speech...
[23:02:24 CET] <kierank> mini
[23:02:26 CET] <kierank> of course
[23:03:32 CET] <Compn> referring to people by the first initials of their full name might be considered an insult, especially if you dont use this convoluted nickname for anyone else ....
[23:05:11 CET] <Compn> i dont see anyone referring to you as kiku
[23:05:21 CET] <durandal_1707> lol
[23:05:40 CET] <Compn> or to durandal_1707 as pamo
[23:06:08 CET] <durandal_1707> got it wrong
[23:06:13 CET] <Compn> oop
[23:06:16 CET] <Compn> pama
[23:06:17 CET] <Compn> my bad
[23:06:27 CET] <Compn> my brains are frozen today
[23:14:54 CET] <jamrial> Compn, drop it and undo the change already. several people have asked you
[23:15:03 CET] <jamrial> the last thing this project needs is a rogue admin making harsh decisions to enforce a coc in an arbitrary way that's misguided at best
[23:17:10 CET] <Compn> jamrial : do you have any suggestion to get devs to stop fighting each other ?
[23:17:16 CET] <Chloe> Compn: have you approved my mail yet
[23:17:21 CET] <jamrial> you asked about how to enforce it before, but go little to no feedback. in that case you ping the thread instead of coming up with something on your own and without consensus
[23:18:26 CET] <Compn> jamrial : erm, a mailing list admin using a mailman feature to stop flame wars is the standard operating procedure of being a ml admin
[23:18:49 CET] <kierank> Nobody's going to die if the ML needs moderation for a few hours
[23:18:58 CET] <Compn> this is not an idea that i thought up. its the absolute standard for mailing lists
[23:19:30 CET] <Compn> the option is right on the first page of the administration page for the mailing list
[23:19:52 CET] <Compn> its a simple on off button.
[23:20:09 CET] <iive> Compn: can't you put just few people under moderation ?
[23:20:14 CET] <Compn> Chloe : it does take a few seconds for a mail to arrive at our servers :)
[23:20:24 CET] <jamrial> if you think a developer is going over the line in the meantime, moderate him and state it publicly. don't make the entire list depend on your availability
[23:20:32 CET] <Compn> iive : yes, but then people would be upset at that idea as well
[23:20:36 CET] <Chloe> Compn: before moderation it was instant
[23:20:49 CET] <Chloe> I would send the email, reload my client, and it'd be on the ML
[23:21:05 CET] <kierank> omg it's just a mailing list let things calm down
[23:21:19 CET] <iive> Compn: have you issued warning to the involved parties that if they do not stop, you are going to moderate them?
[23:21:23 CET] <Compn> kierank is the voice of reason
[23:21:32 CET] <kierank> this time next week it's christmas
[23:21:35 CET] <Compn> iive : i've asked them to stop multiple times
[23:21:37 CET] <kierank> the rest of the world is enjoying itself
[23:21:40 CET] <kierank> not arguing over a ml
[23:22:11 CET] <Compn> the war on christmas continues!
[23:22:22 CET] <Compn> (sorry, an american joke)
[23:22:25 CET] <durandal_1707> and week after new year
[23:22:29 CET] <iive> Compn: it is better to moderate just 4 people insulting each other, than the whole maillist.
[23:23:10 CET] <Compn> i find it humorous that no one has asked me how long the emergency moderation will last
[23:23:21 CET] <iive> 1 day
[23:23:32 CET] <iive> i think that has been discussed during the CoC
[23:23:52 CET] <Compn> iive : dont scare people with your 1 day thing :D
[23:24:10 CET] <iive> ok, 1 day of not sending any insults....
[23:24:26 CET] <iive> hum... this doesn't sound less... ;)
[23:24:55 CET] <durandal_1707> approve my patches or you will get insults
[23:25:22 CET] <Chloe> iive: there was discussion of how the CoC was inadequate, but not much more
[23:25:31 CET] <Chloe> (they still voted yes, however)
[23:25:34 CET] <Compn> durandal_1707 : i've been approving patches this whole time
[23:26:07 CET] <durandal_1707> Compn: i mean reply with lgtm
[23:26:12 CET] <Compn> oooh :)
[23:26:16 CET] <iive> Compn: have you reviewed the patches, he might have hidden some insults there ;)
[23:26:52 CET] <Compn> i hope atomnuker isnt too angry with me
[23:28:22 CET] <wm4> he sounded pretty angry :D
[23:30:06 CET] <iive> Compn: just be happy that yo are on different continent
[23:31:34 CET] <durandal_1707> i think that atomnuker was pretty close to Compn 
[23:32:11 CET] <iive> he is usually in england while compn is in america
[23:33:13 CET] <durandal_1707> which city?
[23:33:33 CET] <durandal_1707> iirc atomnuker was in texas
[23:33:35 CET] <Compn> im near detroit
[23:33:44 CET] <Compn> i've met atomnuker , he is good guy
[23:35:56 CET] <atomnuker> I'm back in the EU in an appalling mood after sitting in a section full of kids, deprived of chocolate, angry with british airways and the awful freezing cold
[23:36:18 CET] <wm4> fuck flying
[23:36:23 CET] <Chloe> oh god
[23:36:27 CET] <Chloe> british airways
[23:37:04 CET] <atomnuker> their website didn't let me check in and after 2 or 3 tries it blocked my name from checking anything in for 24h
[23:37:32 CET] <durandal_1707> sounds familiar
[23:38:45 CET] <Compn> my last trip to france was 9 hours. i had hoped to get some sleep. but there was a nanny and 4 children in the same row. the nanny proceeded to stare at me for 4 hours , and then when it was around midnight and the children were asleep, decided that was a great time to talk loudly for 4 hours. :(
[23:39:27 CET] <iive> Compn: talk to you or somebody else?
[23:39:32 CET] <Compn> someone else
[23:39:46 CET] <Compn> it is much fun to arrive in london with no sleep for 24 hours ... then look at the giant line to get a cab
[23:40:07 CET] <Compn> er it was uk i landed in, not france. i was on my way to france :)
[23:40:14 CET] Action: Compn tries to forget
[23:58:11 CET] <durandal_1707> atomnuker: are you deprived of chocolate or kids?
[00:00:00 CET] --- Mon Dec 18 2017