[Ffmpeg-devel-irc] ffmpeg-devel.log.20190503

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[06:35:37 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03James Almer 07master:f60ddb731072: fate/checkasm: add missing v210dec test
[06:35:37 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03James Almer 07master:b0e29357ba82: x86/v210dec: remove duplicate load instruction
[06:35:37 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03James Almer 07master:abf1aa87ab1a: x86/v210dec: don't reserve more xmm regs than needed
[06:35:37 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03James Almer 07master:b41d8ab2e636: x86/v210dec: use named registers
[07:25:11 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03Gyan Doshi 07master:6223d076e3d0: avformat/mov: set AVFMT_SEEK_TO_PTS flag
[11:17:23 CEST] <cehoyos> Does anybody believe that Amazon handled their case not in a fine way?
[11:26:47 CEST] <cehoyos> I really don't understand the email: He suggests to "punish" NDI, I wonder how this is meant;-)
[11:41:26 CEST] <thardin> amazon seems to have handled things much much better than NDI
[11:44:53 CEST] <cehoyos> Thank you, I was worried I had missed something!
[16:08:26 CEST] <durandal_1707> cehoyos: could you apply Lynne aac patch?
[16:38:39 CEST] <cehoyos> Why didn'
[16:38:50 CEST] <cehoyos> Why didn't you push it? I assumed there is a reason...
[17:20:57 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03Lynne 07master:19f1eaa84fce: aacdec: use float_dsp in apply_independent_coupling
[19:23:44 CEST] <durandal_1707> kierank: please vote
[19:23:58 CEST] <kierank> durandal_1707: i am not on voting politburo
[19:31:33 CEST] <BBB> lol
[19:41:30 CEST] <JEEB> i see an interesting diff between "older" and "newer" contributors; i wonder how much the differences of understanding what enable-nonfree means to a person affecrs this :)
[19:42:53 CEST] <durandal_1707> millenials
[19:47:58 CEST] <BBB> new/old? or corporate/volunteer?
[19:52:57 CEST] <kierank> Open source to some people means open APIs
[19:53:08 CEST] <kierank> on proprietary libraries
[19:57:23 CEST] <BBB> I've noticed
[19:57:27 CEST] <BBB> "my headers are BSD"
[19:57:29 CEST] <BBB> ??????????
[19:57:36 CEST] <BBB> what does that even mean
[19:58:14 CEST] <BradleyS> it means you don't have to RE the binary to know how to use it
[19:58:44 CEST] <BradleyS> and can include the headers in license-compatible software
[19:58:45 CEST] <iive> well, after google vs oracle, API could also be copyrighted...
[19:58:53 CEST] <BradleyS> yep, was about to say that
[19:59:06 CEST] <j-b> Today, "Open Source" is corporate
[19:59:11 CEST] <BradleyS> it's all untested / barely tested waters
[19:59:19 CEST] <j-b> with people who wouldn't do that if they were not paid
[19:59:32 CEST] <j-b> or do code dumps, like the SVT-AV1 commit...
[19:59:47 CEST] <j-b> or Android
[19:59:59 CEST] <j-b> You cannot contribute, of course
[20:00:05 CEST] <j-b> all is done behind closed doors
[20:00:10 CEST] <j-b> MIT/BSD/Apache2
[20:00:30 CEST] <j-b> and if ever you want to deviate that, they fork it (See Elastic)
[20:01:03 CEST] <iive> j-b, closed source corporation are in all open source organizations too.
[20:01:19 CEST] <j-b> iive: LinuxFoundation members routinely violated GPL
[20:01:29 CEST] <j-b> of the Kernel
[20:01:40 CEST] <j-b> LinuxFoundation gives money for npm and things for web
[20:01:45 CEST] <j-b> because this is all they care about
[20:03:15 CEST] <j-b> And now even Khronos moved to non-GPL compatible...
[20:05:09 CEST] <cehoyos> j-b: I don't understand your mail, the vote is only about "1", not about "2"...
[20:06:25 CEST] <j-b> the vote is about "removing NDI from source code, because this is unwanted from our code source", not about "the reaction to their violation"
[20:06:57 CEST] <j-b> He's trying to make the point that we remove it just in spite of their behaviour
[20:07:11 CEST] <cehoyos> Well, that's what we did
[20:07:27 CEST] <j-b> Yes, but that is not what the vote is about
[20:07:32 CEST] <j-b> it's about it should be in the code or not
[20:07:45 CEST] <cehoyos> Where does it say so in the question?
[20:08:09 CEST] <j-b> The question is
[20:08:20 CEST] <j-b> "Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase?"
[20:08:21 CEST] <j-b> no
[20:08:23 CEST] <j-b> not
[20:08:35 CEST] <j-b> "Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase, because they are assholes?"
[20:08:53 CEST] <j-b> I believe it should be removed from the codebase, because this is non-open-source
[20:09:05 CEST] <cehoyos> I don't think they are assholes, I think they violated the copyright of the FFmpeg developers.
[20:09:17 CEST] <cehoyos> (I sincerely hope the mailing list rules do not apply here.)
[20:09:46 CEST] <cehoyos> Given that several such libaries exist, this does not sound like a good reason.
[20:10:02 CEST] <iive> (they do. now you are banished for eternity! ;)
[20:10:10 CEST] <j-b> it's my fault.
[20:10:12 CEST] <j-b> sorry
[20:10:14 CEST] <cehoyos> I wasn't talking about me;-)
[20:10:25 CEST] <j-b> They are also violating the copyright of the VideoLAN project.
[20:10:26 CEST] <cehoyos> As said, I hope this channel is still free-speech!
[20:10:30 CEST] <j-b> and I'm not happy
[20:10:45 CEST] <j-b> and I will sue.
[20:10:58 CEST] <cehoyos> Better sue opensuse...
[20:11:12 CEST] <j-b> ?
[20:11:14 CEST] <BBB> I think all closed-source software should be removed
[20:11:17 CEST] <BBB> but that's just me
[20:11:34 CEST] <BBB> the part where they're assholdes just confirms my suspicion towards closed-source software companies
[20:11:37 CEST] <BBB> :-p
[20:11:40 CEST] <cehoyos> They are distributing ffmpeg with x264 and libfdk and basically said "fuck off" when I suggested to stop
[20:11:40 CEST] Action: BBB runs
[20:11:53 CEST] <cehoyos> After two days, they claim the issue will be fixed, let's see...
[20:11:59 CEST] <j-b> cehoyos: link?
[20:12:05 CEST] <cehoyos> link?
[20:12:13 CEST] <j-b> to their violation?
[20:12:55 CEST] <cehoyos> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/multimedia:libs/ffmpeg-4 is used to build FFmpeg binaries by third-party servers
[20:13:12 CEST] <cehoyos> But as said, they claim (after two days of bullshitting) that the issue will be fixed.
[20:13:29 CEST] <cehoyos> Not a surprised that they were the same people who supported the thieves back then;-)
[20:14:27 CEST] <j-b> Where did they promise that?
[20:14:32 CEST] <cehoyos> Private mail
[20:15:02 CEST] <j-b> If they don't, tell me.
[20:15:29 CEST] <cehoyos> They pointed me to this page: https://pmbs.links2linux.de/project/prjconf/Essentials where it can apparently be seen that the next build will conform.
[20:17:44 CEST] <j-b> ok
[20:19:30 CEST] <cehoyos> Their last comment was - to make sure nobody believes I invented this: Carl, great job on crippling software. Enjoy your weekend.
[20:19:38 CEST] <cehoyos> FFmpeg is "crippled" without libfdk...
[20:19:49 CEST] <j-b> Seriously, someone said that?
[20:20:08 CEST] <nevcairiel> you would think linux distributions would know better
[20:20:12 CEST] <nevcairiel> but the world is going down the drain, so
[20:20:20 CEST] <cehoyos> 0smail Dönmez, as said, no real surprise here;-)
[20:21:05 CEST] <cehoyos> Back in the days, he claimed that Michael, Aurelien, Baptiste and Reimar (and others) are "not active developers".
[20:21:20 CEST] <jamrial> will /nick ever work again?
[20:21:58 CEST] <nevcairiel> can probably remove that thing again
[20:22:15 CEST] <j-b> cehoyos: if needed I can escalate to the opensuse board
[20:22:22 CEST] <j-b> or at least Henne
[20:22:32 CEST] <cehoyos> Let's wait a bit but thank you!
[20:22:35 CEST] <jamrial> if he said that, then reply saying "patch to make aacenc better welcome" :p
[20:22:55 CEST] <cehoyos> Honestly, I would prefer if he would not send patches to ffmpeg-devel...
[20:23:05 CEST] <cehoyos> But yes, you are right!
[20:23:36 CEST] <BradleyS> yikes on the opensuse response
[20:23:46 CEST] <BradleyS> they should take responsibility for their oversight
[20:23:54 CEST] <cehoyos> I don't know if he really speaks for opensuse!
[20:23:58 CEST] <cehoyos> (Sorry!)
[20:24:31 CEST] <cehoyos> He has a "suse.de" email address.
[20:25:17 CEST] <cehoyos> People were not allowed to say anything here?
[20:25:34 CEST] <nevcairiel> it was from some spam bot attacks a  while ago i think
[20:25:43 CEST] <durandal_1707> only ops, censorship
[20:25:53 CEST] <nevcairiel> anyone that was logged in could talk
[20:26:19 CEST] <cehoyos> Why can't bots login?
[20:26:31 CEST] <nevcairiel> they can, they just dont bother
[20:26:36 CEST] <iive> they need to register with freenode staff.
[20:30:19 CEST] <iive> or maybe that was for a cloak...
[20:32:11 CEST] <nevcairiel> you need to register with a bot, n ot staff
[20:32:28 CEST] <nevcairiel> but iirc it needs email activation
[20:50:38 CEST] <cone-394> ffmpeg 03Paul B Mahol 07master:16154c019f2d: avfilter/vf_blend: remove unused header
[00:00:00 CEST] --- Sat May  4 2019