[FFmpeg-devel] bans

James Almer jamrial at gmail.com
Wed Jun 15 15:50:51 CEST 2016

On 6/15/2016 10:14 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi all
> As noone is doing anything about the situation and what is being
> done will not lead anywhere (the vote likely wont lead anywhere as
> likely few would ban a active developer 4 month and then if not
> some will feel injustice prevailed thus
> After writing this mail i will
> 1. ban carl for 24h from the ML due to
> causing  derek to leave the project. (24h was suggested in the IRC
> meeting)

This is useless IMO. While four months is too much, 24 hours is

Let's not implement bans without a discussion and a vote first.
The current vote will probably go nowhere, so a proper discussion thread
followed by a vote will have to be made.

> I suspect carl saw the merges done by derek as causing more bugs than
> good so he attacked until derek stoped doing the merges.

Which is the shitty behavior that's being discussed about. When you find
problems you report them, or help fix them. You don't attack the person
working on them.

> The correct course of action would have been a vote about stoping the
> merges or a change to the procedure to reduce the amount of bugs.
> Like maybe a seperate branch where merges can be tested for ~24h before
> being pushed to master ...
> Or maybe more people working on fixing regressions
> As a sidenote, most of the regressions should be fixed by now.
> 2. ban derek for ~24h from the ML due to causing lukasz to leave the
> project last year, and due to personal insults on the ML and IRC
> to lukasz and carl.
> As derek is not subscribed to the list ATM, this will be implemented
> by moving him from the accept_these_nonmembers list to the
> reject_these_nonmembers list for ~24h
> 3. ban myself for ~24h from the ML because i wrote offensive mails too
> years ago and i doubt none was pivotal in causing someone to leave

And this is silly. It's old history and nobody requested such action in
any what whatsoever. It will only derail the discussion and again, bans
without discussion or vote are a big no.

> Thanks
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