[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] News: Removal of libndi

[Dennis Mungai]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 02:35 Ali KIZIL <alikizil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dennis Mungai <dmngaie at gmail.com>, 20 Mar 2019 Çar, 23:20 tarihinde şunu
> yazdı:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Marton Balint <cus at passwd.hu> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, at 20:52, Marton Balint wrote:
> > > >> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, at 19:34, Marton Balint wrote:
> > > >> >> As I described in similar threads before, whether or not the
> > project
> > > want
> > > >> >> closed source support for NDI is a subjective issue, please
> start a
> > > vote
> > > >> >> about the removal of libndi if you want to seek this through.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The removal of libndi is actually done and committed.
> > > >>
> > > >> That is just sad an unfair.
> > > >
> > > > Sad, maybe.
> > > > Unfair, I disagree. If NDI wants to be in, they know what to do.
> > >
> > > It is unfair towards the people who expressied disapproval, yet this
> > > change was committed without neither vote nor consensus.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > At the very best, the lack of consensus on this  implies vindictive
> intent.
> > Is there something that the FFmpeg developers (see below) have against
> > Newtek, as a company?
> > Clearly, they took down the offending FFmpeg build:
> > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589?cversion=0&cnum_hist=10
> >
> > We've seen other violations, such as this one by Amazon:
> > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7214 that were handled in a much more
> > graceful manner.
> >
> > The primary agitator here seems to be kierank:
> > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589?cversion=0&cnum_hist=10#comment:5
> >
> > What undisclosed history do you have with Newtek (see the reference to
> > "Andrew") above that isn't disclosed above?
> > Secondly, you're quite influential in the broadcast industry:
> > https://www.obe.tv/author/obe/
> >
> > There's an aura of hostility around this commit, and whatever that is
> seems
> > to have spilled over into this.
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>
> The way of removal is not nice. There were an expectation to have a voting
> for removal at the previous ML chain.
> It feels the feeling of the patch is committed without any notice.
> Sad, for the users who follow git-master and get notice for removal after
> the commit.
>


And apparently calling out specific parties involved in this was translated
as an ad hominem attack.

Citing Newtek NDI as a "common" violator of the GPL *without* offering any
evidence (a history of repeated prior behavior) is simply vindictive.
What's the point of a consensus when it's assumed "the majority" agreed
*without* an ML vote on the same?

At this point, Kizil: Let sleeping dogs lie. This removal is purely
political.

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