[FFmpeg-devel] Vittorio's mailinglist ban, git access removal and message deletion (was: Worsening messages)

[Michael Niedermayer]

Hi CC-2024

On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 08:31:00AM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> Dear Michael,
> 
> The other 4 members of the previous CC (JB, Steven, James, Ronald) would
> like to make it clear that it was never consulted on this decision. You
> (Michael) have - after the fact - asked us (the other 4 previous-CC
> members) to look into Vittorio's emails and Kieran's re-post thereof, which
> the current CC can pick up from here. If you disagree with their decision,
> you can ask the GA to re-evaluate.
> 
> We (the other 4 previous-CC members) recommend that - until a decision has
> been rendered - Vittorio's git commit access gets reinstated and the
> deleted email gets restored into the archives. The mailinglist ban(s) for
> Vittorio has already been revoked.

As i said in my reply to vittorio, i will re-enable his account
once his identity is verified and he explains what he wants to maintain in
ffmpeg. (note iam behind with my mails, so if i didnt react to something, its
because i try to get some distance from this nonsense (not distance from FFmpeg,
that is dear to my heart) but this political stuff)

It seems you want to turn this into a political power play. I find this
unneeded.
You can simply verify that vittorio is himself as you meet him next time and drink
beer with him (which you said you did previously).
Its just a simple "yeah i met him after this and he is still in control
of his accounts&keys", theres no kyc here, just a statement from you saying
you know him and hes still your good friend vittorio

About the 2nd part, either vittorio intends to use the account for something
then he can very easily state what that is, or not then he doesnt need the
account.
He could even say he maintains nothing but likes to have the account for
random general things.

anyway, ronald iam not trying to argue with you. I just want to say iam happy
to find and participate in a solution. But id like to see something
coming from vittorio that is not an accusation or insult before i
reopen this account. Also id like some indication that this is vittorio,
it IS a strange behavior.

ultimately if you put me before the choice of handing all control of FFmpeg
out to FFlabs through the CC vs a fork, i do think its better if you fork.

my requests here from vittorio are as minimal as possible. If that cannot
be done, a future together will be difficult.

Thx

> 
> Thanks,
> Ronald (OK'ed by James, Jean-Baptiste and Steven)
> 
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 8:31 AM Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Community, Community Commitee, Moderators
> >
> > The message: lists.ffmpeg.org pipermail
> > ffmpeg-devel/2024-December/337868.html
> > Is unacceptable. We had alot of messages but this one went too far.
> > This kind of message, could be in the result of a search on my name.
> > And a person, customer or otherwise could quite plausible belive its
> > content.
> >
> > This would have real world consequences for me, even if i spend a week
> > replying
> > to every claim in that message, as the person finding such message likely
> > would
> > not even try to read all the replies, which would correct all claims, one
> > by one.
> > I could loose customers, be denined a future job or opertunity or other.
> >
> > Thus I/we will have to remove this message from the archives. Also the
> > only way
> > to prevent this from endlessly reoccuring is to moderate its author. which
> > I intend to implement unless the CC decides for a different solution.
> >
> > This was also not a mail written in jest or a mail written in anger.
> >
> > As the server admin, i cannot leave messages that target people like this
> > on our server and under our domain.
> >
> > Not to even mention the tremendous amount of time it takes to go over
> > one accusation at a time and argue about it. Time FFmpeg falls behind with
> > the
> > next release, time FFmpeg accumulates unfixed security issues. Both are
> > already
> > happening as a consequence of similar mails sent over the last months, yes
> > i spend more time in this sort of thing than being able to work on FFmpeg.
> >
> > thx
> >
> > PS: if anyone actually wants to discuss any claim that where made in that
> > mail.
> > Thats of course possible. But it cannot be in the form of making
> > accusations/claims and requiring them to be corrected.
> >
> > --
> > Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB
> >
> > The misfortune of the wise is better than the prosperity of the fool.
> > -- Epicurus
> >
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