[FFmpeg-devel] [REQUEST] Remove me from GA

[Vittorio Giovara]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:17 PM Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>
wrote:

> >
> > Being part of the CC you should answer this point instead of skipping it.
> > And it's the second person publicly lamenting how the CC is ineffective,
> > may you should listen!
> > My personal suggestion or question, why don't you step down and let
> people
> > be accountable for their actions? It would be a great first step to
> > avoiding emails like Derek's.
>
> I belive dereks mail is paranoid and slander (like it, itself states)
>

You keep using that word (slander). I do not think it means what you think
it means.


> But as you explicitly ask me about the CC, heres my oppinoin
>
> The CC has been involved in both Paul leaving as well as Nicolas largely
> stoping contributing.
> Thats a significant loss to the project
>

Agree to disagree? I feel like the project is better off without negative
help.

If you look at this table https://www.howtodeal.dev/ they seem to fall in
the Rockstar developer and there are many success stories in the industry
about how it's better to get rid of toxic elements for an effecting and
pleasant working environment:
https://www.stride.build/blog/fire-your-ninja-or-rockstar-developers-immediately
https://blog.solha.co/we-fired-our-top-talent-best-decision-we-ever-made-4c0a99728fde
https://startupsventurecapital.com/you-fired-your-top-talent-i-hope-youre-happy-cf57c41183dd

To be clear, I have nothing against the people you mentioned, and I
appreciate the technical feedback and contribution they provided, but when
you have to deal with the typical toxicity surrounding their threads, at a
certain point, you need to sit back and evaluate whether the
toxicity:contribution ratio is effective or if it is damaging the ffmpeg
community as a whole.


> While at the same time the CC did not take effective action against
> Multiple other people
> Just this whole thread should not exist in this form if the CC was working
>

And who or what is to blame for the CC not working, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Surely not having control over permabans has an impact.
Surely having members strenuously defending toxic elements and letting them
ignore the CC has another big impact.

resigning from the CC would make sense if i made decissions in the CC
> that caused paul to leave, nicolas to become less active or derek to post
> this mail here. Or maybe would be protecting someone who did something
> nefarious.
> But i did not.
>

I think it's pretty evident that the lack of actions caused several people
to leave: Derek here is an example, or Anton stepping down publicly is
another.
Are you actually saying that you did all you could to help find a solution?
Or did you let your conviction that Paul and/or Nicolas are a net benefit
for ffmpeg and thus need to be defended against everybody's reports, and
multiple CoC violations?
In other words, are you serving the community or your own beliefs?

I agree with you when you say that you're not the only problem within the
CC, but from an outsider's perspective, it definitely looks like you're
posing a big obstacle to any impactful change.

Also i looked back at thilo things from the CC, two issues that where
> reported related to thilo and NAB had only 3 CC members reply.
> And no it was not 3 agreeing and having some majority.
>
> I think the CC needs to become more transparent and accountable.
>

Since you mention Thilo, why not start there? Ask for more transparency
about booths!
Why is there a NAB booth already allocated without anybody knowing about it?
How did previous booths perform, and what impact did they bring?
-- 
Vittorio