[FFmpeg-devel] Discussion about mails from 9 years ago Was: [PATCH 1/2] doc/community: Add a standard set of rules for software development mailing lists

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Mon Nov 25 00:11:14 EET 2024


Hi all,

On 11/24/2024 1:49 PM, James Almer wrote:
> On 11/24/2024 6:24 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 06:02:55PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>>> On 11/24/2024 5:43 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 04:11:42PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>>>>> On 11/24/2024 4:09 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>>>> Now reality is, Paul (the 2nd most active developer of all time) 
>>>>>> was bullied
>>>>>> out of FFmpeg. In private mail he spoke about being treated like 
>>>>>> a slave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?? By whom?
>>>>
>>>> by the community, by us all
>>>>
>>>> maybe "bullied" is a badly choosen word here, but the way i 
>>>> understand it, is paul
>>>> dislike having to deal with "disturbing" reviews
>>>
>>> I think only Nicolas was against his patches in general, sometimes 
>>> for a
>>> fair reason, others probably not so much. I at least helped him 
>>> every time i
>>> could.
>>>
>>> There has to be another reason for him to leave like he did.
>>
>> Iam fairly sure, if we would have left him change whatever he wants 
>> in his
>> code and gave him final authority there that he would not have left.
>
> But he could do that. He did it all the time, and rarely got 
> opposition since it was almost always for filters he wrote and 
> maintained.
>
>>
>> BUT i do not know that
>>
>> He also pushed patches to his stuff bypassing the mailing list and 
>> review
>> process. It introduced a bug or 2 and I think i pointed that out. I dont
>> remember at all how i worded that.
>>
>> And there was teh conflicts where he pointed to bugs but refused to 
>> provide
>> samples or details, making fixing them often impossible. While he caused
>> this it lead to further friction. This really feels like a failure of 
>> mutual
>> understanding, noone benefitted from this
>
> Not adding test was a problem, yes. Such a trivial thing to do for 
> most filters and he'd still refuse.
>
>>
>> Also teh CC was re-elected at the time of him leaving IIRC. He may 
>> have preceived
>> that a ban or harsh actions against him where imminent from the new CC.
>> Thing is that nothing like that was imminent.
>
> He got a temp ban (like a week?) after several warnings for being too 
> aggressive in his replies. I don't know why he was aggressive to begin 
> with, and i even asked him to stop before anything was done.
>
>>
>> I dont know how to undo the decissions from the past. But i want to undo
>> what led to paul leaving
>
Sorry to interfere into your conversation, I just wanted to say 
important things here.

Emotions are human, and to stay human with its own emotions are 
essentials since it's from our mistakes

and the mistakes of other than we can mutually learn from each other. 
This said, ban someone because he/she 's too agressive or even 
insulting, at the end a lose lose will occur. Rather, if no ban is done, 
ok, after the storm, calm will come

and compromise will be done, all the time...

this is just a share of my life experience...

Cheers

David Jefferson



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