[MPlayer-cvslog] CVS: main AUTHORS,1.176,1.177

The Wanderer inverseparadox at comcast.net
Mon Apr 10 15:18:06 CEST 2006

Rich Felker wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 02:06:59PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> Rich Felker wrote:

>>> Me too. I vote to correct it. Modern usage is sorting in ordinary
>>> order by how the name is written (look what cell phones do for
>>> instance..). I hate legacy collation rules.
>> I vote to keep it, surname first. (Not all cell phones sort the way
>> you note, although I don't have a counterexample handy to cite.)
>> As I understand matters, the primary rationale behind this 'rule'
>> is that it is far more likely that two people will have the same
>> personal name/first name than it is that they will have the same
>> surname, and so
> This is nonsense. It's totally dependent on the particular language
> and the opposite is actually true in many cases.

That's as may be. It's still the rationale behind, for instance, sorting
books in a library or bookstore by the surname rather than the personal
name of the author.

Now that I come back to this again, I notice that there are actually two
separate issues involved: which name you sort on first, and which name
you actually list first. In the former case, I stand very strongly
behind giving the surname priority over the personal name; in the latter
case, I have no strong preference one way or the other.

> The primary reason behind the 'rule' you talk about is pure
> patriarchialism. Nothing more. And it's lame.

...I fail utterly to see how "patriarchalism" has anything to do with
it. Provincialism, maybe, but...

> Besides, do you know people by their first names or their family
> names?

Both, most of the time. Depending, of course, on what you mean by

> First names of course. So that's what you expect to find them by when
> reading the file.

Speak for yourself. I either "expect" to find them by surname, or
"expect" to find them *in whatever way they happen to be listed* - as
long as it is comprehensible, which surname-first certainly is.

> BTW it used to be in the correct order until someone changed it
> around like this...

I'd say that that would have been done because the changer did not
consider the previously existing order to have been correct. I,
personally, probably would not.

       The Wanderer

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