[MPlayer-cvslog] r26411 - trunk/libmpdemux/demuxer.c

Uoti Urpala uoti.urpala at pp1.inet.fi
Tue May 13 16:47:10 CEST 2008


On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 18:14 +0300, Ivan Kalvachev wrote:
> MPlayer project rules are not something ancient put down by faceless
> gods, that nobody remembers anymore. They are in fact End Terms of
> many old (and forgotten for good) flamewars.

Flamewars between largely different active developers, which aren't
necessarily much more relevant to currently active developers than the
rules of any other project. The traditional MPlayer development
practices have also been demonstrated not to work too well.

> Uoti, you never accepted any kind of advice from anybody.

False.

>  You never reverted any commit of yours. You never admitted doing anything wrong.

I have not claimed that everything I've done would have been perfect.
However none of my commits have had such problems that they should have
been reverted.

You've never admitted that your responses to what I've done have been
ridiculous overreactions or completely off the mark.

> Every time when somebody asked you to do things in the usual way you
> respond with "Who are you to tell me what to do. I do the work so I
> can do it the way I please".

"The usual way" with the usual problems. Most of the traditional MPlayer
practices should not be used except as warning examples.

> I do blame Diego for you fall, because most of the ideology you use to
> justify your action is invented by him, this meritocracy based on
> number of commits, these imaginary forks, these arbitrary laws.
> But even Diego admits he can't control you.

I don't believe that trying to do more of what has failed to fix
MPlayer's problems would fix them now. I've never intended to work
according to traditional MPlayer practices.

IMO skills and activity should have a big effect on how much your
opinion counts, but contrary to what you say I have not proposed using
raw commit counts as a measure of that. 

> It was Diego who mislead people into thinking that these rules are
> some kind of written laws and then like a real lawyer said that they
> didn't explicitly forbid what you have done, so they don't apply to
> you.

You'd rather interpret the rules to forbid anything you don't like or
are not used to. Do you consider "blame Diego for everything" to be one
of those implicit rules by now?

>  It was just a transparent way of saving your ass. But you assumed
> is the normal way we operate here.
> It is not.

I assumed no such thing. I know you and some others want to do things
differently. I think your way sucks and would not be good for MPlayer
development. And when you don't even do much and just complain from the
side there's not much reason to even try cooperating with you.

> On a side note.
> 
> Uoti, would you accept Reimar as Project Leader.

He usually avoids controversy and so most people probably wouldn't
oppose him as a leader. However as a leader avoiding controversy mainly
maps to not using any powers in the role of a leader. I don't have much
idea what if anything he'd actually do with leader privileges (whatever
those would be).




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