[MPlayer-dev-eng] Daniel, please start coding (was Re: [PATCH] Development (Was: Clean up)

[Diego Biurrun]

Daniel,

I have followed your arrival on the "mplayer scene" this month and had
hoped that after the initial dust had settled, you would be a really
positive and productive source of good and new patches.  Unfortunately
this does not seem to be the case.

I do not want you to give up as you state in this mail, I want you to
stay and start getting productive.  However, so far we have had very
long threads with a back and forth of the same arguments that
eventually end in flamage.  No one is winning here, we are just
loosing time that could be better spent improving mplayer.

Let us take this doc thread as an example.  Gabucino had already
admitted that the docs could use some cleanup and said that he would
accept patches that mended this.  Instead of providing such a patch
you continue to pick on the docs, resulting in Gabucino refusing to
listen to anything from you.  This is hardly surprising.  You two are
butting heads, you will never reach a compromise this way, nor will
anyone admit any kind of wrongdoing by being forced to do so.  If you
want people to take a different course of action, try being kind,
respectful and patient.  This is not the best, but the *only* way to
achieve that kind of thing.

The docs situation is clear, let me summarize it to end this once and
for all:

The docs do their job.  The content is there, it needs some
restructuring, but this will be addressed by a rewrite in a not too
distant future.  If you search a little bit you can find all the
information you will ever need.  The code of the docs could use some
cleanup, maybe even some heavy cleanup, but that is entirely
*secondary*, what matters for the docs is content.  Maybe this will
get fixed soon, maybe I will do it, but don't count on it, I'm over my
head with work right now.  But I will send a *patch*, not a mail
saying for the n-th time that the docs suck.

Daniel, please prove that you are a coder and not just someone who
needs to prove he is right at all costs.  If you have proven yourself
and earned respect here, maybe your ideas about code organisation will
be seen in a different light - maybe not.  You are new here, please
learn to respect the rules and do stuff the mplayer way.  We are not
here to prove our egos but to prove that we do not need Windows Media
Player and can build something at least as good.  We are here for the
fun.  This flamefest is not fun anymore.

Daniel, please make your patches as ugly as they need to be to get
included, but do make them, even if you have to grit your teeth.  We
can use some more coders and we can use less offtopic traffic on this
list.

Daniel, this is not meant to attack you, please stay here and give to
the project.  But you will get much further by being cooperative.
Regards

Diego


Daniel Egger writes:
 > Am Don, 2002-02-28 um 18.55 schrieb Gabucino:
 > 
 > > > because broken docs are totally fine for this project. :(
 > > Broken docs are always fixed. HTML-code-that-Mr-Egger-doesn't-like won't be
 > > fixed. Nor will C-code-that-doesn't-fit-Mr-Egger's-taste be.
 > 
 > I give up. Obviously your vision is too narrow to see that all I'm
 > complaining about are broken docs. Since you deny this fact and also
 > don't want me to fix it I might as well shut up since they don't
 > add any value to mplayer anyway.
 > 
 > -- 
 > Servus,
 >        Daniel