[mplayer-dev-eng] install localized manpages +
Andreas Hess
jaska at gmx.net
Tue Feb 18 22:10:59 CET 2003
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:19:57PM +0100, Rüdiger Kuhlmann wrote:
> The majority of the people is always silent. Installing man pages of
> neglectible size won't harm anyone.
Don't installing them either.
> There are just a few morons like you
Aren't any arguments left on your side, so you've to show the superiority
of your opinion by name calling.
> who
> make a fuss about it because they can't be bothered to configure it
> properly.
I'm not making a fuss about it, I've already stated, that I have no
problem with patching mplayer locally. And once again the question is,
why is it the proper way, if just mplayer has this behaviour and no
other program.
> > But once again why? Other programs don't force me
>
> Bobody forces you. Stop bitching about a few kB, and everything is fine.
Whoever bobody is, I won't listen to him, if he forces me.
> > And I definitely wouldn't be happy, if every program forces me to set
> > unneeded environment variables.
>
> It's part of the configuration... tell configure what you want.
I would be happy, if I could, but I can't, because usually there are
options and not bogus environment variables.
> > 1) IMHO most mplayer users need just one manpage and don't want to have
> > as much translation as possible.
>
> Most. If you have a multi-user system, you'll alienate those that don't.
> Your assertion can only be true for those that compile it on their home box.
Huh? Since when localization is a precondition for multi-user systems?
> > 2) I see no point in respecting the will of some translation freaks, who
> > can't live with less than 20 translated manpages, over the will of the
> > simple user, who is happy with just one manpage.
>
> I'm not a translation freak by any means. Ridiculing translated man pages
> doesn't really increase your credibility.
Please point me to where I'm ridiculing translated manpages? I have no
problem when users want one proper localized manpage. I also have no
problem with users who want a dozen translated manpages, but just
because of some translation freaks, this shouldn't be forced to
everyone.
> > 3) No, it isn't default to want all translations. _That_ sucks.
>
> It is default to install those translations that are requested, and if none
> is requested, then all of them.
Before you continue to babble like this, please point me to the programs
that assume, that a user wants all manpages, if he requests no translations.
I have non of them on my system for sure.
> If you don't want to tell your configure
> that you want only one, then don't bitch.
No other program has ever forced me to do it, but I would be happy, if
it's just possible via a configure option, and not with bogus environment
variables.
> > 4) I work on a lot of multi-user systems
>
> Somehow I have doubts...
Feel free to have whatever you want.
> > and none of these systems has localization or defaults to having all
> > translated packages installed,
>
> Well your users seem to be extremely homogenic.
>
> > just because there could be the possibility, that there is someday a
> > user who wants to learn azerbaijanian via manpages.
>
> Nobody's talking about learning from man pages. It's about having them available
> when you might need them.
Ah, now I understand, you're one of these users who has everything installed,
20 different editors, 20 different MTAs, 20 different versions of fortune, just
because someone someday could need them.
> > > This is the standard way, the way to go. If you don't like that, set your
> > > LINUGAS to empty, and you'll be fine. Or remove those installed directories.
> > Once again, if that's the way to go, why is mplayer the only program that
>
> It's not the only program. Every program using gettext and autoconf for
> configuration works this way, except for the translations and not the man
> pages.
Huh? I definitely have gettext based programs, but I have no unneeded
manpages.
> > forces me to set a bogus environment variable to nothing?
>
> Again, it doesn't force you to anything. If you want something special, you
> have to do work for it.
I want nothing, this is special? For me it would be special to have
everything.
> Hey, your mplayer Just SUCKS, it's installing support for JPEG images. I
> don't WANT support for that, It's increasing the BINARY size by 1k!!!!!!!
Ever heard of --disable-jpeg?
> It's eating up AAAAAAAAAAAAALLL my hard disc SPACE!! *SCREEEAAAAAAMMMMMM*
> Why do you make it have support for JPEG images for those 2 users actually
> using it? Why do you FORCE me to set a FREAKIN' configure flag just to
> disable stupid JPGE support? NO OTHER PROGRAM is doing that!! Why do YOU
> have to do THIS to me?? You're SOOOOOO mean!!!
I knew it from the beginning, that you have some problems. Please
keep cool. Ever thought about consulting a doc?
> If you don't understand: if the man pages get installed and you don't like
> them, you can just remove them or configure it right the next time.
Once again, I would be happy, if it would be possible. A bogus environment
variable is definitely not the right solution.
[...]
P.S.: If you want to continue insulting me, be my guest, but please do
it in private mail.
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