[FFmpeg-devel] GSOC 2011 politics

[Ivan Kalvachev]

On 4/30/11, shahriman AMS <shahriman_ams at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Michael Niedermayer <michaelni at gmx.at> wrote:
>
>> From: Michael Niedermayer <michaelni at gmx.at>
>> Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] GSOC 2011 politics
>> To: "FFmpeg development discussions and patches" <ffmpeg-devel at ffmpeg.org>
>> Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:10 PM
>> Hi
>>
>> FFmpegs GSOC 2011 timeline:
>>
>> February 28:
>> 19:00 UTC
>> Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications
>> to Google.
>> (http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline)
>>
>>
>> February 28 or 29
>> Ronald Bultje registers FFmpeg with himself as admin
>>
>>
>> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 [see below for mail]
>> Ronald says he requested a new mailing list for soc-mentors
>> from the roots
>> I reply that i as root of the new ffmpeg server have not
>> received any
>> request and that i object to the list being moved to
>> libav.org
>>
>>
>> Fri, 15 Apr 2011 [see below for mail]
>> Roanld explains that the list has been moved to libav.org
>> and that to
>> subscribe one has to agree to a complex license from
>> google.
>>
>>
>> April 25:
>> 19:00 UTC
>> Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer
>> of Code 2011 site.
>> 10 Projects for FFMpeg/libav are being accepted
>> 10 choosen by libav
>>  0 choosen by ffmpeg
>> 2 of the students are libav developers, 1 of them has never
>> written C
>> code before. 0 students are ffmpeg developers
>> 8 of the mentors are libav developers
>> 2 of the mentors are ffmpeg developers
>>
>> Has the ffmpeg side been shown the student applications?
>> no
>> Had the ffmpeg side had any say in which are accepted? no
>> Why was sebastian (who passed all qualificatoin tasks) not
>> accepted,
>> while diego (who never wrote any C code let alone passing
>> a
>> qualification task) was accepted ?
>> But more so why does ffmpeg have no say at all in this
>> years ffmpegs
>> gsoc?
>> to me this sounds like a big scandal as if linux gsoc was
>> 100%
>> managed by freebsd people (or the other way around)
>>
>> just my 10cent, and my appology to the students who have
>> not been
>> selected this year due to this political mess.
>> And id like to wish the people who where selected good luck
>> and hope
>> their projects will succeed.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael     GnuPG fingerprint:
>> 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB
>>
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>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Appendix, mails:
>>
>>
>> From: Michael Niedermayer <michaelni at gmx.at>
>> To: "FFmpeg SoC Mentors (private)" <ffmpeg-soc-mentor at mplayerhq.hu>
>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:36:52 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-soc-mentor] GSoC 2011
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 06:42:14PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:24 PM, compn <tempn at twmi.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > dumb question... this list will be dead in a week
>> or less. is there a
>> > > replacement ? where is the soc list now? is libav
>> hosting it?
>> >
>> > I've requested a new one from the roots and am hoping
>> they will grant my wish.
>>
>> i got no mail from you.
>> but i can setup a list if/when needed.
>>
>> Also id happily give ben the ML password to admin it if he
>> wants.
>>
>> moving the ffmpeg-soc* lists to libav is something i object
>> to.
>>
>>
>> [...]
>> --
>> Michael     GnuPG fingerprint:
>> 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB
>> -------------------------------
>> From: "Ronald S. Bultje" <rsbultje at gmail.com>
>> To: "FFmpeg SoC Mentors (private)" <ffmpeg-soc-mentor at mplayerhq.hu>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:50:11 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-soc-mentor] mod task continuation and
>> GSoC 2011
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Stefano Sabatini
>> <stefano.sabatini-lala at poste.it>
>> wrote:
>> > On date Thursday 2011-04-14 23:49:55 -0300, Vitor
>> Sessak wrote:
>> >> On 04/11/2011 07:25 PM, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
>> [private discussion about a student snipped]
>> >> -Vitor
>> >>
>> >> PS: Sorry about the delay for answering, I'm on
>> vacations...
>> >
>> > No problem, by the way this list is going to be closed
>> and GSoc
>> > related discussion has been moved to soc-mentor at libav.org.
>>
>> And for those wondering: to be on the list, please sign up
>> as a mentor
>> on google-melange.com, you'll be added to the soc-mentors@
>> list
>> automatically.
>>
>> Ronald
>> -------------------------------------
> Hi Michael,
>
> Your mail dispirited me. I have been accepted for GSoC 2011 and yes, I have
> never in the past worked for Libav or FFmpeg. But GSoC is for students, not
> veteran developers. I have talked to a number of current FFmpeg / Libav
> developers (and at least one x264 developer) who came in through GSoC. I
> have finished my task which was open to all - anyone who wanted to have a
> shot, could have had a shot.
>
> And getting accepted is not the end. If one does not finish the project, he
> will not get anything (and possibly blow any future chance in GSoC). So if
> you are aggrieved, you could have kept it to yourself until the program
> ends. Then the numbers of projects finished against the number of projects
> accepted would have served to support/refute your argument.
>
> I respect you for your huge experience. I might never match your
> contribution to FFmpeg. But I really don't see any point to sending your
> complaints to a public mailing list.
>
> Regards,
> shahriman
>

Please don't top post. Write your answer under the old mails.
(I took the liberty to move it).
And...

Who are you?
I cannot find your name or name that sounds similar in the list of the
accepted students/projects.
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2011


I also think that you missed something in the Michael's mail.

Yes, GSOC is about students and not about veteran developers. But this
is exactly the point, 2 of the "students" ARE veteran developers.

Actually the project were Diego is student is already finished. Look
for thread with subject "preliminary Flash Screen Video v2 decoder
from Kostya" in libav-dev. I also don't think that Daniel Kang have
ever been FFmpeg developer, I would have thought he is more fit for a
student (Kostya seems to admit his patch is based on Kang's code).

In short, I think that they may have swapped mentor/student names in that task.