[FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Repeat vote: GA voters list updates

Sat Nov 11 17:35:31 EET 2023

Hi jb and everyone else

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:54:20AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 08:22, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Neither does this list of 51 people [1] correlate to the 54 authorized voters
> > (distinct email addresses) the CIVS system actually counted, see [3].
> 
> And instead of you ASKING for that, you launch another vote? That's your solution?

I cannot speak for thilo, but i did what you suggest here and asked about multiple
other inconsistencies in the vote. The replies i got where minimal, slow and at least
one was not friendly at all

Also IMHO if inconsistencies occure in a vote they should be made public
with no one having to ask explicitly.
Being reluctant to share information about problems that occured in a vote
is not good practice in a open source project IMHO
and also it leads to more distrust and more drama (like what started this thread)

>
> Just as as remark, YOU are running the voting system, and have access to infra, so YOU can check it.

thilo did share the log with me a few days ago, there is very little
information in it. So little i can just provide it here with no privacy fears
ill provide a summary first: (as its easier to read i think)

4 mails where sent out Mon Oct 30 10:11:20 +-1sec

then 20 seconds pass then

47 mails are sent out between 10:11:41 and 10:12:20 with 0-2 seconds between the mails

then 11 seconds pass then

2 mails are sent out at 10:12:31

at 10:13:42 2023 the first vote comes in

then about 3 minutes pass

between 10:16:20 and 10:16:48 53 mails are sent with 0-3 seconds between

over 2 hours later at 12:55:40 another mail is sent

overall 54 mails sent where distinct but we do not know the addresses,
I do believe CIVS will not resend mails to the same address unless asked for
and the same address will not be able to vote twice or be counted twice.
But anyone who is in there with 2 different addresses could vote twice

Now if CIVS can ensure the same address cannot vote twice it must be possible
to extract the email addresses, at least before the end of the vote, But i do not
know how. CIVS seems to have it as one of its goals to keep the addresses out of the logs
it seems thats a mis-feature to me

Also iam not sure resending mails to different addressed when they bounce is safe
Lets just consider i receive a mail at niedermayer.cc, i could construct a bounce and
send it back while still voting with the token in it. If i now get a mail at gmx.at
i could vote twice.
IMHO it should be ensured that the addresses are working before the vote and not
updating them during the vote

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Mon Oct 30 10:13:42 2023 127.0.0.1 Election: GA voters list updates (E_029f7195fed7aadf) : Recorded vote from voter key X
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Mon Oct 30 10:20:25 2023 127.0.0.1 Election: GA voters list updates (E_029f7195fed7aadf) : Recorded vote from voter key X
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