[MPlayer-users] Re: [Ffmpeg-devel] Re: Re: [MPlayer-cygwin] XboxMediaPlayer false information spread onmplayerhq.hu

Bill Eldridge bill at rfa.org
Fri Oct 18 13:57:06 CEST 2002 

1) I'm very happy to have another OpenSource video project.
Thank you.

2) There was some concern a few weeks ago regarding release
of source. This appears to be setteled with recent and
future releases of source code. Thank you for your quick
response to this issue.

3) There appears to be some continued debate on all of this.
Please stop. The important issue has been resolved.
Please expend your energies on more code instead.

There are about 30 people writing open source video
code, and if half of them are debating, well, there
are only 15 people writing open source video code.

Best of luck to all of you.

Thanks again,
Bill

Gamester17 at the Xbox Media Player website wrote:
> Hi, with all due respect, it is false info that is posted on mplayerhq.hu
> 
> This is from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
> "That's a lie. Seeing 
> http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/newweb/download_files.htm, there is a 
> Win32 binary (amongst many else), obviously with GPL license. Please 
> send the source to gabucino at mplayerhq.hu, which you are obliged to do."
> 
> The Win32 binary of the Xbox Media Player that is hosted on 
> xboxmediaplayer.com does not contain any GPL code (not from FFMPEG, XVID 
> or any other project), it's a code written entirely from scratch by 
> d7o3g4q (Inc. the DivX de-coder which is a reverse engineered one from 
> the DivX ;) 3.11 bitstream made by d7o3g4q).
> 
> Also from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
> "They can't be contacted because they don't publish their E-Mail addresses"
> 
> I sent a mail to gabucino asking if he had tried to contact me or the 
> developers via mail or forum & got a reply that he had not because he 
> did "not consider usernames created with md5sum valid."
> 
> gabucino did not do any investigating before posting any of his posts 
> about the XboxMediaPlayer, which I think he should have mentioned in his 
> post with something like:
> "btw I did not care to try to find out if anything I'm claimed here is 
> true or not because I heard somewhere from someone that they are 
> violating the GPL & I took that for the truth. Source: None".
> 
> I think that if he would have bothered to either do some real 
> investigating or tried to contact me or the developers, he would have 
> found out the real situation & I'm sure he would not have posted 
> anything of what he did.
> 
> That is why I was hoping he would see that he was wrong & do the 
> honourable thing by posting a retraction & apology on mplayerhq.hu
> 
> Best regards / Gamester17
> webmaster at xboxmediaplayer.com
> PS! gabucino also CC'ed ffmpeg-devel at lists.sourceforge.net with his 
> reply but he cut out most of the things of my original mail (on 
> purpose?!) so I have added that mail again to the bottom on this one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <-----Original Message----->
>  >
>  > From: Sycotic Smith
>  > Sent: 10/18/2002 11:56:35 AM
>  > To: gamester17 at nameplanet.com
>  > Cc: mplayer-cygwin at mplayerhq.hu; mplayer-users at mplayerhq.hu
>  > Subject: Re: [MPlayer-cygwin] XboxMediaPlayer false information 
> spread onmplayerhq.hu
>  >
>  > There is NO reason to keep sending this to all of the mailing lists 
> for mplayer USERS. Please cease
>  > and desist at this time. The information on their site is correct as 
> it stands in my book. IF
>  > things have changed SINCE they put that info up, then they have 
> NOTHING to apologize for.
>  >
>  > It's great that you are releasing the source AFTER several users of 
> xvid and ffmpeg ASKED you to in
>  > email, makes the world know what you are really about.
>  >
>  > /S. Smith
>  > PS. -users group copied so you will know they are still trying to get 
> under our skin on the mplayer
>  > groups.
> 
> ----original mail-------
> 
> From: Gamester17 at the Xbox Media Player website
> To: gabucino at mplayerhq.hu; mplayer-users at mplayerhq.hu; 
> mplayer-dev-eng at mplayerhq.hu; mplayer-cygwin at mplayerhq.hu
> Subject XboxMediaPlayer false information spread on mplayerhq.hu
> Date 10/16/2002 10:36:44 AM
> 
> If this is not sent to correct e-mail please forward to gabucino at 
> mplayerhq.hu
> (I found it very hard trying to find his e-mail address on your website, 
> no contact list available)
> 
> Hello gabucino,
> 
> The Win32 (by d7o3g4q) version of the XboxMediaPlayer was released about 
> 4 months ago and does NOT contain XVID, FFMPEG or any other GPL code at 
> all, it uses a codec d7o3g4q build himself from scratch ( reverse 
> engineering the divx 3.11 bitstream). And as it does not contain any GPL 
> code the source does not have to be released (and probebely never will 
> as I doubt d7o3g4q still has the source for this old release).
> 
> 
> The Xbox version of Xbox Media Player does however contain both XVID or 
> FFMPEG code but it is not available for download on the website and is 
> not distributed by the Xbox Media Player team (e-mails have been sent to 
> XVID & FFMPEG authors informing about this), the GPL vas never violated.
> 
> In any case source code for the Xbox version has now been released.
> 
> 
> You have not contact me (my mail address been on the web site all along) 
> or any of the authors. Not via e-mail or via the forums, you just posted 
> your false allogations without doing any investigate at all.
> 
> I hope we can expect a retraction & an appologi posted on your site in 
> the near future.
> Think of the people that read your site & believe it to be the gospel 
> truth so they do not either do any investigating.
> 
> Best regards / Gamester17
> webmaster at xboxmediaplayer.com
> 
> Quote from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/news.html
> "The XBMP developers issued an article telling they didn't make official 
> releases, therefore they are not obliged to release source code. So I 
> guess they can say: "Oh, you have an XBMP binary? It must have been 
> leaked, we are soo sorry."
> That's a lie. Seeing 
> http://www.xboxmediaplayer.de/newweb/download_files.htm, there is a 
> Win32 binary (amongst many else), obviously with GPL license. Please 
> send the source to gabucino at mplayerhq.hu, which you are obliged to do."


-- 
Bill Eldridge
Radio Free Asia
bill at rfa.org

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